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TheKingsRaven Since: Jun, 2009
Jul 23rd 2020 at 5:26:36 AM •••

Is it part of the trope that the light novel hero has little in the way of goals and ambitions beyond fulfilling whatever quests he is given?

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Jul 23rd 2020 at 6:32:31 AM •••

What examples of that do you have?

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Mar 7th 2020 at 4:19:14 AM •••

With the increased prevalence of female isekai protagonists, is it worth splitting them into a subtrope or continuing to list them on this page?

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jun 26th 2020 at 9:05:56 PM •••

Time to sort the examples based on subtypes?

NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Jun 26th 2020 at 9:26:45 PM •••

I've thought about doing that, but we'd need consensus on exactly which subtypes to sort by and which works belong in each.

Here's what I suggest (with example series for each category):

Slice Of Life

    Light Novels 

Fantasy

     Light Novels 

Isekai

     Manga 

     Light Novels 

Urban Fantasy/Supernatural

    Light Novels 

School/Extranormal Institute

    Light Novels 

    Visual Novels 

Princess/Otome Heroines

     Light Novels 

Other

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jun 27th 2020 at 1:09:06 AM •••

I feel urban fantasy and extranormal are close enough for the moment. Maybe they can be split when there’s an influx of examples of both.

There’s also a huge lack of Everyman heroes, most of them are isekai/supernatural.

Would stuff like The Pet Girl Of Sakurasou and Eromanga Sensei fall under that?

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Jun 27th 2020 at 1:10:15 AM •••

Yes, definitely. I had been planning to add more of them at some point, but most of those series I don't know much about or don't remember much about. Eromanga, Boring Girlfriend, and My Sister, My Writer were specifically the reason I added the everyman type to the description.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jun 27th 2020 at 1:12:46 AM •••

I’ll help with descriptions when I get some spare time and fish out some more examples.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Jun 27th 2020 at 1:16:10 AM •••

^^^ The problem is that there are some Extranormal Institute stories that do not take place in "our" world. Undefeated Bahamut Chronicle, for example.

This is the reason I've been slow to split them like this. The limits of sub-genres are arbitrary and some stories (like Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero) blend multiple categories.

And then we get into the sub-sub-sub genres, such as the recent influx of "Demon Lord Isekai" like Overlord, How Not to Summon, and Demon Lord, Retry.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jun 27th 2020 at 1:24:46 AM •••

I see what you mean. If that’s the case then further subcategory descriptions are warranted for stuff like extranormal institute.

There was a recent trope that got added for that. Media Transmigration

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jun 27th 2020 at 7:58:28 AM •••

If I'll be honest, "Everyman Heroes" feel like a separate trope altogether. They are just way way too different from the fantasy heroes and require a complete new characterization of their traits.

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Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Jun 28th 2020 at 12:57:45 AM •••

Perhaps, but might be distinct enough to warrant a separate page from the examples already here. Until you added that bit about Everyman Heroes, pretty much none of the trope description included them, especially since they can't really be compared to Shonen Heroes in the same way.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Jun 28th 2020 at 2:24:52 AM •••

I created a new draft at the link below (add a : after the https). Go ahead and suggest some examples there, if you're able.

https //tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=k28x00qqpgzmy32m50gx4d59

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Gruntagen Since: Dec, 2017
Jan 4th 2018 at 3:39:17 PM •••

Regarding the Mahouka entry:

Does it really count as a...ugh..."deconstruction"...when it seems more like an active enforcement and an excuse for the protagonist to be what he is? Especially since all it does is intensify just how creepy it is that the only emotion he shows is #Nice Guy posturing towards his sister?

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Jan 5th 2018 at 6:33:46 AM •••

I’ve had doubts about that entry myself.

I agree with your position.

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