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Taiyokun
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01:35:36 PM Jul 17th 2012
Can someone PLEASE tell me what the hell that is on the page image?
OldManHoOh
08:00:37 PM Jul 17th 2012
I think it's supposed to be a visual pun on the term "old hat".
allboyband
07:58:01 PM Jan 15th 2013
"Old-hat - repeated too often; overfamiliar through overuse."
Korodzik
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04:04:24 PM Jan 29th 2012
edited by Korodzik
Removed from Web Original section:

* Sims Reality Network admits that the Sims Big Brother 4 season utterly sucks compared to 5 and 6, even linking those seasons on the premiere vid. It did get better (considering the characters grew a personality after the house merge), but still, it's a lot more recommended to take into consideration that season was made way before 5 and 6. Even 2 is better. (Which is, for some reason, in between 4 and 5.
  • Its sister show, Big Brother Sim Edition also has the same thing - Word of God says "season one sucks". Season three (The most recent one) is a surpsingly huge improvement over two.

I'm unfamiliar with the work, but it sounds more like a case of It Gets Better / Growing the Beard rather than this trope.
OldManHoOh
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11:29:46 AM Jan 1st 2012
However, it doesn't seem like anything shocking after gorging on anything made past 1992, where every sci-fi setting is a Crapsack World, the "heroes" are dubious at best, and the best ending you'll manage is a Bittersweet Ending.

This statement seems dubious, unless I'm watching too many shows that blur the line between sci-fi and fantasy that "don't count".
OldManHoOh
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04:44:43 PM Dec 28th 2011
Wasn't Doctor Who (prior to 1996) low in production values even for the time?
Freezer
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12:50:20 AM Nov 20th 2011
Re: the Harry Potter fanfic cliche entry: "Most fanfic ever?" I can think of a dozen fandoms that would look at that statement and chuckle (Star Wars, Star Trek and Doctor Who would probably laugh themselves unconscious)

And that's not even counting anime/manga.
Jobbeybob
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07:32:51 PM Sep 11th 2011
Howzabout we rename this "Seinfeld is Unoriginal"? Unfunny is not really what this is about.
snowburnt
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10:52:45 AM Sep 8th 2011
A lot of the examples used here in my opinion are YMMV. I watch a lot of these movies that happened before I was aware of them and may not understand the full gut-punching impact they may have had on pop-culture and cinema, but I still appreciate the movies. If Die-hard or alien is on TV, I'll watch it, I've watched Casablanca, Blazing Saddles etc. and appreciated the scenes called out in the example even though they've been used and reused mainly because the original seems to do it much better than the imitator.

A lot of the examples seem to be (no offense intended) chest puffing about how "I knew about something before it was popular". Like hipsters following coffee shop singer song writers that get signed to a contract by a record company and suddenly their younger siblings have their album much to their disgust.
BorisE
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01:45:43 PM Aug 21st 2011
Does this trope have a countertrope for things that DO hold up against their successors? Maybe that's an UR-example but I'm not sure, Ur doesn't always mean first.
taintbrush
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12:15:29 AM Aug 14th 2011
Shouldn't the part that says "Most pop culture originates in the US, and other countries get it much later" be changed to "Most American pop culture originates in the US, and other countries get it much later" since there isn't just one "pop culture" pool for the planet? I mean, most pop culture probably comes from China or India, seeing as they produce an enormous amount of songs, movies, plays, books, etc.
KurtBlanken
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08:29:15 AM Jul 18th 2011
All the videogame entries need to be reworked. Something being seen as outdated because technology improved is not what this trope is about.
LordInsane
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06:15:23 AM Jul 13th 2011
I am a bit uncertain about the Casablanca semi-example (why is it a bullet-point under Carrie, anyway?) - while the movie may well be an example (I haven't actually seen it), the current description for it effectively says that it was Vindicated by History (how can the prevailing opinion at the time of its release be that a movie is clichéd because it had such an impact that key portions of it was copied/parodied/otherwise overused?), only beginning to be seen as a great movie after Bogart's death. Should it be removed? Alternatively, if it is an example of this trope, could someone who actually knows enough about it to say *why* it is an example rewrite the description?
Pichukun
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11:37:04 PM May 14th 2011
I'm not getting the Super Mario 64 one. It's considered one of the top five best games of all time, if not the best, by a majority of gamers.. The line makes it sound like it's just another platformer to people.
HersheleOstropoler
06:07:59 AM May 20th 2011
Name notwithstanding, Seinfeld Is Unfunny isn't intended as a criticism per se — the point isn't that Super Mario 64 isn't considered good, only that it isn't recognized as innovative.
HersheleOstropoler
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10:00:58 AM May 11th 2011
Removed:

  • Before Pippi Longstocking, children's books were supposed to be educational or to teach proper behavioural conduct. Then Pippi came along and she had no interest in obeying adults or acting like a proper young lady, and the whole book was simply entertaining rather than educational. There was a moral panic at the time, but childrens' books about kids having fun and getting into trouble are normal and accepted now.

The Alice in Wonderland weren't especially educational, and were in fact published as Deconstructive Parody of that sort of thing. Unless you want to make the case that they were intended for adults to begin with. Pippi Longstocking may have been a new thing in Swedish children's literature but not in Western children's literature.
65.190.82.215
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02:34:21 PM Feb 26th 2011
Somebody has got to add Space Ghost Coast to Coast to this list. It basically defined the template for the type of ironic, absurdist, self-referential humor that dominated everything that followed it on Adult Swim.
DrStarky
04:20:04 PM Feb 26th 2011
Then add it yourself.

Just don't type "How Did We Miss This One?" when you do so.
nuclearneo577
04:33:59 PM Feb 26th 2011
edited by nuclearneo577
HersheleOstropoler
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08:22:51 PM Jan 30th 2011
edited by HersheleOstropoler
Some bullets I removed as nattersome but are too clever to lose or have useful or interesting links, or the removal can be disputed:

  • The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Intentionally, it was supposed to be So Bad, It's Good. That was one of the reasons it attracted a cult following. The other reason was that it appealed to gays, bisexuals, transvestites, and just plain "weirdos" back in the 1970s. Thirty (and more) years later, there's less of a stigma against those groups, not to mention there have been countless other cult films released since then, which leads some people to ask "What's the big deal?".
    • Also, what made it so enduring was the audience participation. Roger Ebert said it best: this wasn't a movie so much as a long-running social phenomenon. Put on a silly costume, head to the theater with your friends, be the show, bring in some unwitting newbies in the process, and a great time had by all. If you're just watching the dang 'ol thing at home, well, nothing special about it even if you are into transvestism and bisexuality and whatnot.

I'm not sure RHPS falls into this trope at all.

  • A Song of Ice and Fire is starting to get this. While there are still few imitators, they are starting to show up, and its style of mature, gritty, realistic, deconstructed fantasy is becoming less and less groundbreaking.

This is speculative; add it back when it's firmly no longer groundbreaking.

  • Your Show of Shows.

Please elaborate

  • Bill Bruford (of King Crimson and Yes) and Neil Peart (of RushJust as influential as Keith Moon's "messy" drumming is the use of multiple, varied time signatures over the course of a song. You can thank them for this.

I could not make head or tail of this.

  • Rage Against the Machine have been able to avert this. Their Music remained popular long after Their break up and,while many Bands such as Green Day make half hearted attempts at social statements,none have ever come within a hundred feet of Zach De La Rocha's raw power or Tom Morello's highly Intelligent Lyrics

I like R At M, but I didn't feel like dealing with the random Capitalization and missing spaces to rescue an aversion (which doesn't belong here) and a Take That against Green Day.

  • Bill Watterson, creator of Calvin and Hobbes, wrote this a few months before the end of Peanuts' run:
    "Back when the comics were printed large enough that they could accommodate detailed, elaborate drawings, "Peanuts" was launched with an insultingly tiny format, designed so the panels could be stacked vertically if an editor wanted to run it in a single column. Schulz somehow turned this oppressive space restriction to his advantage, and developed a brilliant graphic shorthand and stylistic economy, innovations unrecognizable now that all comics are tiny and Schulz's solutions have been universally imitated.... By now, "Peanuts" is so thoroughly a part of the popular culture that one loses sight of how different the strip was from anything else 40 and 50 years ago."

Good quote but redundant.

  • Shakespearean comedy in general is susceptable to this, especially to the high school students who just can't see the joke. If a modern reader has a good enough grasp on the English and the cultural context, most will be able to figure out that Shakespeare's comedies are strewn with clever wordplay (with copious innuendo) and the local equivalent of pop culture references.

That's more about it not being funny because Language Marches On or Society Marches On or some damn thing marches on, not because of this trope.

  • A lot of people can't grasp why The Producers was such a hit or why it won so many Tonys, what with their choreography being stolen for almost every musical and numerous shows copying their raunchy style of humor.
    • The Producers Although it could be argued that it doesn't fit this trope, since many people were not able to grasp why those things happened at the time, since it wasn't innovative when it was written (which should go without saying, since it was based on a 40-year-old movie).

If it doesn't fit the trope, it shouldn't be listed.

I don't want to lose the links

  • In an old interview, Bob Newhart commented that he frequented comedy clubs as a way of keeping up with the state of the industry. He claimed that he could usually pick out who would make it big in three years by figuring out who was being themselves on stage as opposed to all the people apeing the style of their favorite comedian.

Sorry, Schroeder. But it's only tangentially relevant.
129.215.149.97
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02:19:25 AM Jan 6th 2011
The matrix is on here twice.
generallykaiden
12:51:15 AM Jan 9th 2011
Three times... We should do something about that...
WaxingName
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11:22:23 AM Dec 17th 2010
Can we add the YMMV banner to the top to this page? This is clearly a page that is subjective.
LoserTakesAll
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01:09:43 AM Dec 14th 2010
Removed from under the Superman example because it's just natter, and kind of mean-spirited natter to boot:

  • The bloodthirsty-defensive Fan Dumb of the character might not help. Buuut...
  • The extreme Hate Dumb of the character not only pull out a bunch of clichés to show some shortcoming (creating strawman arguments when someone shows where he had an adequate challenge to face or where he displayed a character flaw) but never let you forget it, showing up to troll message boards and Playing The Victim when attacked by Misplaced Champions.

girardiparty
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09:01:35 PM Nov 7th 2010
edited by girardiparty
Many of the examples in the video games section do not fit this trope, at least in their present wording. Examples like Megaman Battle Network, the Oregon Trail, and text-based RP Gs, among others, aren't referring to the fact that the original was copied or adapted ad nauseum, which in turn takes away from their playability. Rather, they're bemoaning the fact that, due to better technology or added features, the original no longer holds up well. This seems more like a simple case of games generally improving; it's like saying, "well, compared to Super Mario Galaxy, Super Mario Bros. really doesn't hold up very well," rather than addressing the fact that nearly every element found in SMB is present in most subsequent platformers.
LostInFog
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03:37:03 PM Sep 28th 2010
edited by LostInFog
The Longest Yard (1974) is cited for several tropes (scrappy underdog vs. championship team, lame coach, even lamer "rousing" speech, bring in the ringer) that were Lampshaded in the football game in M*A*S*H (1970) - link is http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/Ptitleg61am70o3b3w and I don't know how to render that in this wiki.

24.235.237.126
04:29:27 AM Oct 13th 2010
edited by 24.235.237.126
Large chunks of the literature section keep being deleted. I think that if people are going to remove sections of the article THAT LARGE they should at least discuss it here first so as to come to a concensus.
qqq
07:41:04 PM Oct 29th 2010
i say keep it. Lot's of different points are made.
MorganWick
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06:44:54 PM Aug 24th 2010
Why does the article put forth three related-but-different origins for Dada?
ZeteticElencher
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12:56:51 PM Jul 24th 2010
You know that interview that Bill Murray recently gave ''GQ''? (If you didn't read the full thing, you might have heard the Garfield/Coen Bros bit quoted elsewhere.) In it, there's the following exchange:

Like I never saw, what's-his-name, Larry David's show.
Curb Your Enthusiasm?
No! The other one. With the other guy.
Seinfeld?
Seinfeld! I never saw Seinfeld.
Come on.
Really! I never saw Seinfeld until the final episode, and that's the only one I saw. And it was terrible. I'm watching, thinking, "This isn't funny at all. It's terrible!"

Regardless of whether he's joking or not, that last line would make an ideal page quote. Agreed?

Darekun
05:11:47 PM Oct 12th 2010
edited by memetics
I disagree. Part of the problem with the name "Seinfeld is unfunny" is that Seinfeld uses a sense of humor that's not for everybody, so to a lot of people it wasn't funny when it first aired. It wasn't for them. That quote seems to suggest that it wasn't for Bill Murray. So it would probably increase the confusion already caused by the name.
memetics
11:14:47 PM Jun 26th 2011
edited by memetics
  • Well, the last episode wasn't very funny outside of the context of all the other episodes it references. That was probably the problem Bill Murray had with it. (That last episode didn't strike me as very funny *with* knowlegde of context, but then again, it was more about the call-backs and wrapping up the show than anything else.)
Myrmidon
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10:55:00 AM Jul 17th 2010
edited by Myrmidon
Removed until further explanation is given.

The Omen. Some of it is corny.

The Graduate
azul120
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04:16:01 PM Jun 9th 2010
Personally I would call it I Love Lucy Is Unfunny, because Seinfeld is still way too contemporary right now.
Bionicman
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10:59:03 AM Jun 2nd 2010
Whether or not Fullmetal Alchemist's use of alchemy is internally consistent is entirely beside the point. The point is that it is in no way a remotely accurate depiction of either alchemy or modern science. I altered it to acknowledge the possibility that the author was aware of the deviations, but that doesn't change the main point.
ShayGuy
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09:42:56 PM May 6th 2010
Just how was Love Hina different?
ROBRAM89
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08:48:53 PM Mar 4th 2010
For the love of all that is good and decent can we please rename this damn thing?
calieber
10:58:59 PM Mar 11th 2010
Take it up with the forums. I don't even see a link to a long-dormant discussion and a crowner that closed a month ago.
70.156.92.50
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06:52:08 PM Mar 4th 2010
edited by 70.156.92.50
Actually, it's rather obvious that Ryoko was meant to be the girl that wins. Tenchi met her first, she's the only girl to get any character development, and she's the only reasonable canidate who isn't his great aunt. The problem is that in between Tenchi Muyo being canceled half-way through and it's being revived, everyone else had done First Girl Wins to death, so since they were annoyed that everyone could now see it coming they decided to go with the current ending.
calieber
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05:43:56 AM Mar 4th 2010
Removed from the main page pending explanation of which brothers were intended.

  • Films by the Brothers have been ripped off and parodied so many times that modern viewers feel like they already know the plot after three minutes of the film.
    • Wachowski? Weitz? Pang? Hughs? Farrelly? Coen? Wayans?
70.156.92.50
06:44:14 PM Mar 4th 2010
Yes.
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