Discussion Main / RebornAsVillainessStory

^ I'm not sure whether there can be crosstalk of this type between this page (a genre of work) and Media Transmigration (something happening in a work regardless of genre). In fact, Next Life as a Fictional Character, which is a subtrope of Media Transmigration and is heavily associated with this genre (its Trope Namer is the Trope Codifier of this genre), was launched within the same month as this one, and no one ever complained about overlaps.

However, I do agree this trope needs refining (see the discussion I started below), so I may as well make a forum thread on this.

This stems from the legacy of a "villainess story" being a redemption story for the villainess. The variants are cases of someone else taking the active role in redeeming/rehabilitating the villainess character. Of course, this is muddled by those stories with unrepentant villainesses who continue to play dirty.

I agree. I've personally been calling it the "villainess genre", since that's the big thing they all have in common.

I've also heard it be called Otome Isekai or Shoujo Isekai, since the genre is primarily a shoot-off of the isekai genre just targeted at women and girls.

That's just it — it's a thing now, because of this genre.

Do you understand what a Dead Unicorn is? The whole issue is because the Villainess is always described in these isekai stories as a "common occurence" in otome games... despite being barely present in REAL otome games. They exist, to be sure, but it's more of a one in a thousand sort of thing. Ask any of these authors to produce one otome game title with a Villainess in it, and I doubt they would be able to do so.

Even if it has become a thing now, it still mostlt only exist in the realm of these isekai stories. No otome game has started creating villainesses just because it was being written about. It's still a Dead Unicorn.

The trope page acknowledged that the story can also take place in a manga universe, so the Villainess is only half a Dead Unicorn: Villainess characters did and still do exist in shoujo manga and romance novels. However, in OTOME GAMES, they are almost non-existent.

Yes, I understand what it means. Thank you for asking.

However, the Akuyaku Reijou is now an established character archetype. It doesn't matter that they weren't originally in the games the novels are based on. For this genre to work, you have to accept that it's a thing, even if it technically isn't.

That isn't to say you can't add a pothole to Dead Unicorn Trope if you want. Feel free to do so.

Edited: irrelevant to discussion; already addressed

Also, Beware as a Villainess is on this page where it's claimed to be MC reincarnating into an otome game, but MC actually goes into a novel so I'm not sure why that's on this page as an example. Like the novel is probably just a reverse harem novel but it's nowhere near an otome game and the webtoon never mentions otome games at all.

I'm going to assume you haven't read the description yet, because both of those points are already addressed in it.

Beware of the Villainess' description on this page links to MC being reincarnated into an otome game, so that's still blatantly false. MC goes into a novel.

Once again, I'm going to assume you haven't fully read this trope's description.

EDIT: Wait, my mistake. I see the problem you're talking about. Somebody else added that in.

In the future, you CAN just edit that yourself, since it's incorrect.

OK, thanks. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to edit the page, but I'll just do that in the future.

Also, I owe you a full apology. Apparently I was the one that made that mistake. It's funny because I don't even remember doing it, and I've actually read BTV, so I already knew it was a novel she was reborn into.

I don't know why or how I made that mistake, but I apologize for getting uppity with you when I was clearly in the wrong.

I would say I've learned my lesson, but I probably haven't. >_>;;;

That's okay, I can see that you already addressed the Dead Unicorn thing, so my addition was clearly unnecessary and I edited my comment for that. I'm new to TV Tropes so I didn't realize I could edit BTV.

So I also apologize for giving you attitude. My mistake!

Just as a curiosity, since a lot of Korean and Japanese works started as webnovels but then become manga/webtoons, would it be better to put the work into the webtoon or manga category as examples or just the original webnovel?

Thanks!

Right now, "web novels" are a murky spot on the wiki. We usually just list them as "Light Novels" for simplicity.

Beyond that, unless the adaptation is so far removed from the original work that it's basically an entirely different story (see: ComicBook.Iron Man v. Film.Iron Man or Anime.Cowboy Bebop v. Series.Cowboy Bebop), we list under the original medium which it was published by.

OK, thanks! I'll remember that.

Just as an update to avoid confusion: in August 2022, there are consensus to deprecate the LightNovel/ namespace and gradually move examples to the Literature namespace. As a result, on trope pages LN examples should be listed under Literature, unless it only occurs in an adaptation (or belongs to a trope that can only be played in certain media types).

I moved all Literature examples into the LN folder and renamed the LN folder to Literature. Over the next few months there may be edits associated with the move of work articles.