Main Offing Theoffspring Discussion

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11:05:33 AM Apr 26th 2012
Is this entry valid?
  • Ivan's third Marfa Sobakina was said to be killed by her own mother who made her poisonous drink that she claimed would increase her daughters fertility.
10:56:14 PM Aug 17th 2010
In Supernatural, does Mary's deal with Azazel re: Sam count as this in the Choice of Abraham sense or did she not have enough information to know what she was trading for John's life? (although, really, like she didn't know that a demon wasn't going to want big payback for that?)
04:19:54 AM Apr 27th 2010
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Ouranos eats Cronus? Really? There's myths of Cronus eating his children (except Zeus) and Zeus eating Metis, but there really isn't anything out there that I've read involving Ouranos and cannibalism/offing the offspring (at least, involving Cronus). This is the second time I've seen a page mentioning Ouranos devouring Cronus (unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the first I saw), but it piqued my interest a bit. Are there any official sources/classical texts out there that say this, or is it simply a mistake? Perhaps a case of Someone Did Not Do (proper) Research (possibly me, but my Google Fu / memory is not turning up anything)?

The farthest Ouranos went in Offing His Offspring was by caging up the Kyklopes and Hekatonkheires within Gaia, spurring Gaia to gather up her sons in order to overthrow their father (cue Cronus, who castrates Ouranos). Plato mentions "Men believe that Zeus . . . put his father [Kronos] in bonds because he wickedly devoured his children, and he in turn had mutilated his father [Ouranos] for similar reasons." — but, again, I believe those "similar reasons" (similar being key) imply how Gaia rallied Cronus (and his Titan brothers) to castrate Ouranos as vengeance for imprisoning her children/Cronus's other siblings (Cyclopes and Hecatonchires), not for devouring Cronus and/or Cronus's Titan siblings. Ouranos specifically targeted the Cyclopes and Hecatonchires because he saw them as disgusting (YMMV - or your myth may vary), but made no mention of any specific disdain for the other Titans until they castrated and overthrew him. The closest Ouranos ever comes to offing Cronus is when he and Gaia prophesied Cronus would be overthrown by Zeus, and that wasn't even offing anyone, just predicting Cronus's offing.

Neither the Wikipedia page or this page (http://www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Ouranos.html) make a mention of Ouranos devouring Cronus; the latter link is to a site that is very extensive and includes texts/encyclopediac-like information. Theoi (the site itself) also includes a nice Classical Library citing the texts it used to make the site; it's also one of the few sites I trust for research, but if there's another out there that includes classical texts and explains what Theoi doesn't, I would really appreciate a link (I'm a bit of a Greek!Myth!Geek).

I'd edit it, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes, and if I'm wrong, I don't want to misinform anyone. Is there really a myth out there involving Ouranos devouring Cronus?
10:53:48 PM Aug 17th 2010
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oops. Started new topic.