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FridgeGuy2016 No-lifer Since: Feb, 2016
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Apr 27th 2020 at 5:02:10 PM •••

I've had a talk with another troper about whether part of this is an example of Lethally Stupid: (Said part will be bolded)

  • Dumb and Dumber: Lloyd and Harry perform such things as accidentally killing a man (a prank gone bad because of an ulcer... and then they accidentally fed the man rat poison instead of his ulcer pills (in their defense, the man had the pills in his pocket because he was going to poison them)) and an endangered owl (they popped a champagne cork and it hit the owl) among other acts of chaos that they are too dumb to even notice they created. Lloyd is especially bad because he is both perfectly willing and able to cause malicious acts in revenge for slights (but is too dumb to think of how bad things can get as a result) and has even less common sense than Harry.

I originally brought this up here on NATTER ALERT! as I suspected there was a Justifying Edit in there. wingedcatgirl told me that the example text makes it sound like the man who was going to poison them is at fault for his death, not the main protagonists (Harry and Lloyd). To anyone who has watched that movie, is that particular scene an example?

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Apr 27th 2020 at 6:06:27 PM •••

It's an example. They fed the guy pills and assumed they were the right ones because, well, they're stupid.

The "in their defense" part is irrelevant. He absolutely did plan to kill them, but that doesn't change the fact that, uh, they fed a man poison because they were dumb.

Now, what's unaddressed by the example is that he did try to get them to get his ulcer pills and honestly it's fairly understandable that they would've grabbed the first pills they found and gave them to him... but that's not how the narrative treats it. They're dumb. And they killed him. It's good for them, mind, but the movie doesn't treat his death as anything but their fault.

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marcoasalazarm Since: Jan, 2013
Apr 27th 2020 at 8:03:02 PM •••

Here's a video of the scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7L9THry9QM

They were stupid enough to feed him rat poison but he was evil enough to think it was a good idea to give them rat poison (and maybe stupid enough to have the pills in a similar container — suppose that he was the one who reached for them in his distress?). I added the "in their defense" part because, well, mea culpa — I looked at that part I wrote and I thought that it needed additional context as to where the rat poison came from.

Edited by marcoasalazarm
superboy313 Since: May, 2015
Jan 8th 2018 at 6:55:23 PM •••

What's the difference between this trope and Chaotic Stupid?

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