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SteelEdge Madam Pain Since: Aug, 2013
Madam Pain
Dec 2nd 2022 at 12:43:37 AM •••

Can you use this trope in a nonromantic context? If not, which trope works better?

Did you know that if you square any integer and divide the result by either 3 or 4, the remainder is always either zero or one?
DaibhidC Wizzard Since: Jan, 2001
Wizzard
Dec 5th 2015 at 3:03:17 PM •••

  • Robots has Piper (Betty) and Cappy (Veronica), both having a crush on the protagonist, Rodney. However, their personalities are switched: Piper is a ninja-like fighter who can be short-tempered; while Cappy is much more serene and laidback.

I haven't seen this film; is there actually a switch in it? Because the way it's written it looks like it's just that Cappy is the Betty and Piper is the Veronica. (I know Cappy starts off working for the villain; I don't think that automatically makes you a Veronica.)

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MyTimingIsOff Since: Dec, 2011
Dec 5th 2015 at 4:49:40 PM •••

I've seen it, though my memory of it is kinda foggy since it's been a while. Anyway...

That's not an example. The switch never happens. In fact, that's not even a good example of the Betty and Veronica trope. Piper is not a Betty (she's aggressive and tomboyish), and Cappy is not a Veronica (she opposed the villain from the beginning, her Heel–Face Turn wasn't a surprise, and her personality doesn't match either).

MyTimingIsOff Since: Dec, 2011
Nov 9th 2015 at 12:25:37 PM •••

  • Many players see this as the case with Dark Messiah of Might and Magic with Leanna, the sweet mage girl, and Xana, the provocative and aggressive succubus. However, Xana never actually forces you to do anything actually evil, saves your life, provides invaluable guidance, and helps to derail the evil plot you were born to carry out, while Leanna requires you to do all the dangerous and dirty work, tags along for some very annoying escort mission parts, pushes you to kill Xana after learning of the demoness' existance, then attempts to murder you if you choose not to. A majority of players chose to complete the optional quest of saving Leanna from the spider pit not only for the bonus skill points, but also so they could kill her without a Nonstandard Game Over resulting.

Examples Are Not Arguable. If this is an example (I can't really tell), it needs a rewrite before being readded.

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CelticKawaii Since: Dec, 2013
Dec 12th 2014 at 2:50:23 PM •••

Don't you think the main page's description of the Bait and Switch scenario is a little biased in favor of Veronica? I mean, it's going by the assumption that Veronica is inherently the "bad" choice and Betty is inherently "good," with a shot of Good Is Boring thrown in, only to throw in a kind of Light Is Not Good/Dark Is Not Evil plot twist.

Not saying it wouldn't make for an interesting story, just that there should be another example where Veronica was the "bad" choice, but we're led to believe otherwise because tropes like My Girl Is a Slut are in play.

finnw Since: Aug, 2011
Dec 24th 2012 at 6:00:56 PM •••

Are Alice and Lisa in Anti Trust an example of this?

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