As I understand it, going by Madrugada's explanation of the indexing system, the red links are sort of necessary to keep the index bar working right. That is, it prevents works from showing up. Removing the Sun Tzu and Shang Yang links on this page puts The Art Of War and The Book Of Lord Shang into the index bar after Zhuangzi.
For a while, Miles Gloriosus was a link from Gaius Julius Caesar (and whichever Greek had a link above him) because Plautus didn't have his own page or a red link here. So I think the red links should be restored to keep things working right.
Yeah, I found that out when I took some of them out.
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No worries, and please do. The forums are kind of hectic right now...
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Thanks for fixing that, Winter. I'm sorry I made a mess for you to clean up.
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Someone should delete the Hedgi Naysomay Aisling and her linked page from 20th century literature. Having a few stories submitted as fanfiction does not entail being listed amongst world-renowned writers.
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Hi. I'm Hedgi N. A. I thought you should know this- I personally, wholly, and utterly agree with you. I don't belong there, and in all likelihood, never will. My boyfriend posted the page to cheer me up- he knows I love TV Tropes, and that I was having a bad spell. I was, and still am in the 'everything I write is crap' stage, and I was feeling quite down on both my abilities and myself. I admit, it gave me a thrill that jolted me out of a low point to see my pen name on this website, but I recognize that I am utterly not worthy of it. ( I have published a few short stories, however, they are through my Lit class, and thus under my legal name, not my pen name, so it's a moot point.) I would remove the page myself, but I lack the skill, understanding, and knowledge. Yours, HNA
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OK, Hedgi, I'll take your name off. By the way, if you'd like, your boyfriend can make pages for your works in the Unpublished Works namespace.
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We ought to regularize the dates, including choosing either Before Christ (Ante Christum)/Anno Domini or Before Common Era/Common Era. (My own sentimental preference, as a Roman Catholic, Latinist, and traditionalist, is for the former, but I can readily recognize that many might prefer the more neutral method of dating, and it would probably be more generous here — especially bearing in mind that the dating of Dionysus Exiguus in probably inaccurate anyway.)
Dating of the the Middle Ages, Renaissance, and Modern Era is tricky. Traditionally, the Mediaeval period lasted from the fall of Rome (474 A.D.) to the Battle of Bosworth Field (1485) or the discovery of America (1492). The Renaissance is particularly tricky to date, as it started much earlier in southern Europe than in northern Europe — and, of course, there was a great deal of overlap (e.g., as in the case of Chaucer, who is very mediaeval in some ways and very Renaissance in others). The end of the Renaissance is even more difficult to pin down — is John Milton a Renaissance or an Enlightenment figure? We might want to thrash this out.
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For anything that isn't purely Western European, the dates don't line up anyway, so trying to make them fit accurately is rather futile. They're mostly to allow for more accurate placement within the list, so that we don't have Tacitus and Lewis Carroll coming one after another because that's the order they were added in; or Tom Holt and Homer because that's the way they alphabetize. As it is, we may have to split up the longer date-sections by country anyway pretty soon.
I had made everything CE and BCE, but someone came in and changed some BC and ad without changing all of them. It hasn't been fixed yet.
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Speaking of which, there's a hundred years of overlap between the Mediaeval and Renaissance sections, leading to Geoffrey Chaucer being listed chronologically before Boccaccio. Is there some reason for this, or is it a mistake?
Take a gander at the first comment. "The Renaissance" started a whole lot earlier in Italy and Southern France than it did in Britain. The Canterbury Tales doesn't read like a Reanissance piece very much.
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Any volunteers for fixing up the index tags so we don't have works or random tropes popping up at the bottom of author pages? There are so many links that it'd be really really tedious, but I really don't want to cut it down to just a list of names since that would lead to a lot of "Who the heck is that?" Especially in the earlier eras. We already had one minor edit war because some git had never heard of Xenophon or thought the index was only for fiction writers but only cut him.
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Ok... don't know what's going on, but it seems to work wonderfully for everyone nineteenth century and on. No links to works or anything. I know that the little index bar at the bottom of Gaius Julius Caesar used to have a link to Trope Namer because of the link in the Plautus entry here. Did something happen under the hood?
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To be fair, the indexes link to the author's pages. If somebody doesn't know who the author is, tough luck, they'll just have to go onto the page to find out. From the nineteenth century on, it would definitely be fair to just have names. I just spent some time removing links to works and whatnot from the 20th/21st century authors. It is possible to put in a description without including any links - as I said, the links will all be on the main author pages anyway, they're not necessary in the index.
Some of the author's names had been potholed to their works, which is frustrating. A warning at the top of the page to keep the damn thing tidy would probably be a good idea. The alphabetical order has been lost in some places, and there are quite a few pages indexed that don't exist any more and could do with being removed for now, if nobody is going to re-write them.
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I'd really like to see more short explanations of who the more modern writers are — 50% or more are names that I don't recognize — do they write science fiction? fantasy? mysteries, poetry, essays, plays, or what? It doesn't need to be long and detailed, but some idea would be nice.
And quite frankly, I'm at a loss as to why you deleted the ones you did. There was no rhyme nor reason to what you took out and what you left. I've restored all the ones you chopped out. Links to works help identify who the author is. Saying "Science fiction author" helps a little. Saying "Author of Riverworld" does a much better job of identifying who Phillip Jose Farmer is.
I've also pared down all the unnecessary index escaping that was done. The index bars at the bottom of the pages only show the blue links, and the indexing software only uses the very first wikiword in any line that starts with one or more asterisks. Yes, that means there are lots of redlinks on this page — that will encourage people to make pages for those authors, and it won't affect the index bars on actual author pages.
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Ah, so that's how it works. It is a newish thing? I definitely remember some odd links in the index bar on author pages a little while back.
Also, Suetonius and Tacitus are very different authors. I think they were just lumped together because they were contemporaries and friends who happened to write about the same period.
If the author's name wan't wikiworded, and the note contained a wikiword, the indexer grabbed the link, not the name. It looks for the first link following an asterisk. That's the only link it will grab out out that entry.
So if the line is
- Dante Aligieri: Author of The Divine Comedy
the indexer will grab "The Divine Comedy" as the item it puts into the index stack. But if it says
- Dante Aligieri: Author of The Divine Comedy. It will grab Dante's name — the first link it comes to. Then it will look to see if there's a page with that name. In this case there isn't, so it will skip that name when it builds the index bars.
Old Man Ho Oh, while breaking them down by nationality is all well and good, stripping out every name that was redlinked was uncalled for. This is not, and never was, intended to be a index strictly limited to authors we have pages for, because our primary purpose is not to catalogue authors.
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