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02:46:17 PM Sep 2nd 2012
The quote on the top of this page is incorrect. It is actually "There are names for people who take advantage of women who are not in full control of themselves, and none of those names will ever be rightfully applied to me." (Name of the Wind, page 570)
07:29:37 PM Feb 2nd 2012
edited by LogicallyDashing
I don't think it's the level of intoxication per se that invalidates consent. Getting drunk with the intent of getting laid by someone you've never met before is pretty common collegiate behavior, though I personally wish it wasn't. I wouldn't call the people who participate in that sort of thing rapists, unless the victim was past the point of communicating coherently, which does not seem to be the case in the trope description.

The relevant thing, I believe, is that Bob knows Alice, and knows for certain that this is unusual behavior for her, meaning he can reasonably expect her to regret the decision. I'm not sure I'd call that "rape" either, but it's some kind of immoral behavior.
11:17:18 PM Jan 9th 2012
edited by aaeyero
"The basic human decency to not rape someone should really be the neutral state; that varies quite a lot. Another problem is that once the guy knows "it's not the real thing", he need not have iron-hard moral standards to behave like that, even if he's sure it's her own (normally suppressed) desire. Decency is quite enough."

This sections seems unnecessary. It doesn't really fit with the rest of the article, and sounds like it's just rambling.
05:07:19 PM Jan 10th 2012
edited by Hasfet
Agreed and done. There is really no need to point out repeatedly and emphatically that rape is evil. Also made the article a tad more gender and country neutral.
12:30:29 PM May 6th 2013
I could also believe if Bob wouldn't find such profane circumstances and behavior so tempting, even from his beloved, but Alice would disappoint or even disgust him in that state.
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