Just For Fun Egregious Discussion

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TwilightVulpine
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10:16:03 AM Jan 11th 2016
You know, I don't see what is the "fun" in nitpicking words to put this article in Just for Fun. If anything it's just the opposite.
Specialist290
10:25:38 AM Jan 11th 2016
edited by Specialist290
It's an old injoke. People noticed that "egregious" was an uncommon word that was commonly used here more often than you would think, and things took off from there.
TauCeti
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09:12:59 PM Aug 13th 2015
Is it a good idea to remove use of 'Egregious' in articles? If we're not careful then it means Permanent Red Link Club.
TwilightVulpine
10:13:22 AM Jan 11th 2016
Isn't it way too overboard to hunt down the use of a certain word? There may be times it fits. If not, reword it. But banning words just seems draconian for a wiki that calls itself "informal"
SmartGirl333
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04:29:01 PM Jan 1st 2015
I just edited to show that it's used loads as a substitute/euphemism for "notable" on This Very Wiki
shokoshu
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07:53:37 AM Nov 6th 2013
Ha! Possibly nailed down the guy who started it all (outside TV Tropes, that is): Dr. Robert Hübner, German chess grandmaster, who named a book of his "Fünfundfünfzig feiste Fehler", which got translated to "egregious errors" for alliteration. (Justified, since he has a Ph.D. in papyrology and is very erudite.) "Possibly" since a search on Amazon also revealed English learning text with that phrase. Needs moar research.

Oof
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01:10:58 PM Feb 16th 2013
When did this word come to indicate intelligence, arrogance and/or erudition?

It's a perfectly unassuming, serviceable word.

What the hell, tropers. Apparently viewers really are morons.
originalhobbit
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06:43:29 PM Feb 11th 2013
The use of this word as a pothole is becoming pretty egregious.
JamesShade
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12:36:24 PM Oct 9th 2012
I fear this is becoming widespread enough that one day it might fall victim to the Permanent Red Link Club, just like Did Not Do The Research.
greatpenguin
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09:48:56 AM Mar 15th 2011
Can people just stop using this word? It's just not funny anymore.
moonytheloony
05:16:33 AM Aug 7th 2011
I disagree. There is nothing wrong with using that word, and not all people who use it do it for humorous reasons. It's just a word, after all, not really different from any other word. There is absolutely no reason not to use it.
AgProv
03:58:06 PM Jul 22nd 2012
edited by AgProv
Terry Pratchett uses it both appropriately nd with humour.

Oxford and Cambridge Universities have Regious Professors -ie, in the old archaic sense of outstanding in their academic field. (Stephen Hawking is Regious Professor of Physics, as was Isaac Newton before him).

Douglas Adams lampshades this in one of the Dirk Gently novels, the one based on the lost Dr Who episode Shada..

Unseen University on Pratchett's Discworld has Egregious Professors - a lovely and spot-on pun.
173.21.134.44
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07:14:00 PM Feb 19th 2011
Come on, guys, it's learnéd. With an acute accent. If you're trying to make fun of people pretending to be smarter than they really are, you should at least not make the same mistake. I'm leaving it there for the irony.
robertfm
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06:44:26 PM Aug 6th 2010
I find the first remark in the archive a little strange; according to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, the derivation is from ex gregaris, "not of the flock". Yes, it comes from the same Latin root as "gregarious", but with an "ex" (not) tacked on.

I think this page needs expanding slightly; the original meaning of this word was "so wonderful as to be above the common herd", and it seems to only fairly recently (within the last 60 or 70 years?) have gained its more common current meaning of "so bad as to be rejected by the herd". I suspect that Douglas Adams, when he had Dirk Gently use the word to describe the Professor in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, was probably using it in the original sense.

It's almost certain that George Orwell, in the page quote, was guilty of hypocrisy; the Hogben passage he quoted uses the word "egregious" in the negative sense, but Orwell appears to have assumed that it only has the positive meaning.

Specialist290
11:03:37 AM Nov 24th 2010
I can't answer the other bits, but the Concise Oxford Dictionary is flat-out wrong. "Ex" is a preposition that means "out of" or "from," giving a literal meaning of, as you noted, "out of the common herd" (in much the same way we use the English word "outstanding"). The only Latin words ever used for "not" are non and ne (and their derivatives).
JorWat
04:26:09 PM Apr 27th 2011
edited by JorWat
Here's what the full OED says:

Etymology: < Latin ēgregi-us, < ē out + grex, greg-is flock + -ous : hence lit., towering above the flock.

Also it has this quote from 1573 for the negative usage:

"Thai them selvs cannot dissemble it without egregius impudenci"

So it doesn't seem to be a modern thing.
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