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SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
Feb 16th 2015 at 5:46:15 PM •••

I have a question. Since we have a section for the Officers, eventually someone's probably going to add Phoebe/The Scarred Sister. Considering almost everything about this Officer is a gigantic spoiler, how would her entry be formatted?

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SirFrederick Since: Jan, 2001
Feb 20th 2015 at 10:21:16 PM •••

Well, not everything about them is a spoiler - their name could mean anyone. But, they're already represented under their island's entry, so there's no real need to duplicate them just 'cause they travel with you for a stretch.

SirFrederick Since: Jan, 2001
Jan 24th 2015 at 7:23:11 AM •••

The Diplomat and the Cannonneer both use he/him/his pronouns, so there's no need to excise those from their entries.

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beeniebee Since: Apr, 2013
Feb 7th 2015 at 4:51:41 PM •••

Hi. I'm the backer who created the Irrepressible Cannonneer, and this character is canonically a character who is masculine-presenting in their day to day life but nonbinary. I sent an email a while back requesting that the pronoun issue be fixed and I'm uncertain if it's been repaired with the release of the game, but I'm hoping that if/when it does (if it hasn't happened already) then the situation with the pronouns would either be similar to the Alarming Scholar or they would put in the they/them/theirs pronouns for the Cannoneer. In the mean time, since that is what the pronouns are when this entry was created and edited, I guess it's alright to keep it this way but if it gets fixed then I expect that this character page will follow suit. The Cannonner is masculine but not a man.

EDIT: It turns out I did get a response! If there are any remaining pronouns that are incorrect in-game, a bug report could be sent to report them as typos. My computer can't support Sunless Sea right now due to some memory issues so if someone with the game currently downloaded and updated can confirm this for me, that would be excellent.

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SirFrederick Since: Jan, 2001
Feb 7th 2015 at 6:18:08 PM •••

Hello! I'm terribly sorry about this whole mix-up! I shall follow your preferred structure from now on, and check the status on the in-game content as soon as I am able. Again, my sincere apologies!

EDIT: Having replayed the Cannoneer's story, the masculine pronouns do seem to have been excised. Again, I'm really sorry for being such an ass, misgendering your character (and the Diplomat, while I was at it), and generally dropping more bricks than the Hoffnung fan club.

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beeniebee Since: Apr, 2013
Feb 10th 2015 at 3:15:26 PM •••

No worries! I'm sorry if I came across as too harsh in my reply. You were just going off of the information that was available to you at the time, which was a mistake on the game developer level, so it's not really something I can hold against anyone over. You weren't being an ass.

On tumblr I got a response from FBG and they definitely urge people to email at sunlesssea@failbettergames.com if any wayward he/his pronouns are lingering in the game.

SirFrederick Since: Jan, 2001
Feb 11th 2015 at 3:18:51 AM •••

No, you weren't too harsh at all - it's just something I want to do right, you know, and hold myself to a high standard over. :)

(Also: the Conversations On Deck interaction between the Cannoneer and the Mechanic is hilarious!)

coruscatingInquisitor circumlocutory square Since: Feb, 2014
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Aug 8th 2014 at 4:25:05 PM •••

What should be done about the characters that aren't in London or Officers? A lot of the other ports don't have enough characters to talk about in a list form. Will having an 'Other Characters' (i.e. everything else) folder with a subheading "Location: place" for each one work?

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Aug 9th 2014 at 3:07:07 AM •••

That seems like a good solution to me.

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SirFrederick Since: Jan, 2001
Aug 9th 2014 at 4:25:18 AM •••

A lot of the ports warrant character listings in themselves, I think... some as organisations, somes a genii loci, some just as towns or cities with a particular history and character.

coruscatingInquisitor Since: Feb, 2014
Aug 19th 2014 at 1:35:01 AM •••

Seeing as there are eventually going to be neutral/drifting random-encounter ships, and there will probably be at least a few recurring characters in this category, we could use '(Main/western zee/other key indicator)' and sort them by area with the drifters in their own category. For example, Mount Nomad could fit under a Monsters category (although I'm not sure about there being a category for monsters - Fallout: New Vegas doesn't have Cazadors on its character page) so it could either go into the drifters' category, a separate hostile drifters' category, a Monsters Of Note category (possibly best option) or something like that. Most of the areas have only one or two named characters, e.g. the Avid Horizon only has Mount Nomad and the Smiling Priest, one being a Genius Loci and the other a scary, scary person. Salt, Stone and Storm could be listed in "The Unterzee" seeing as they recur in places. This needs further discussion - in some cases I guess the port overviews idea could work.

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