IS it ok to make a section for the characters from the expended univers (Terry's friends from Suspicious Mind, Francine from SIX, Max' father etc)?
Hi all - Just a quick one. Do we think Erica should appear on the "Main Cast" page? Her involvement in S3 felt more like a long guest appearance - is she actually a main cast member in the same way Mike, Dustin, Eleven etc are? Feel like she ought to sit in the "supporting cast" section with her parents - as per Barb?
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Yes, she should, considering that she arguably has more of a presence in the plot of Season 3 than Murray does *and* she's been promoted to a main cast member. Why is it that Murray is there, yet Barb isn't?
We need to be consistent - a main character is a main character, not by the standards of who WE think is a main character, but by who appears in the opening credits and is given star billing. Obviously, the show staff decided that Priah Ferguson and her character deserved main character status, and TV Tropes should reflect that.
And similarly, if Murray and Erica were elevated, Karen should be as well.
Reading the section on Billy, does anyone else think that the current read on his dad is a bit over the top? The dad is labelled as racist, homophobic, and misogynist. To the first, the only evidence is that Billy doesn't like Lucas (though, according to an interview with the actor, Billy just doesn't like Max hanging out with anyone, and race doesn't enter into it). To the second, yeah, calling his son a fag is pretty homophobic (though it would be considered far less so back then, of course). To the last, calling the girls that Billy dates whores seems bad at first, but practically in the same breath, he's yelling at Billy to respect his sister.
I figure these are sensitive topics, so I don't want to go in like a bull in a china shop and change it around. I look at his dad and see not so much a bigot but a man who is furious with his son and whose solution is to yell abuse and violently impose his will. Without writing a long apologetic for his dad, I think that, at minimum, calling him racist warrants much more support.
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I agree, there's no evidence in the series that his father is racist. Further, I would argue that Word of God would refute the assertions that Billy's response to Lucas is racially motivated, as well.
I think it generally makes sense to refer to Neil Hargrove as a bigot who uses homophobic slurs to belittle his son, and generally seems to have some pretty heavy toxic masculinity issues (including trying to control Billy with violence), but as long as he doesn't really express racist views, he shouldn't be described as racist. I'd also agree that while he fairly likely is sexist, referring to Billy's date as a "whore" was another way of demeaning Billy and showing how far away he's from what Hargrove considers a "good man."
As for Billy and Lucas, I felt that was motivated mostly by him not wanting Max to have any friends - he's really imitating his father's treatment of himself by controlling her. It might also have a racist component, but I don't think the show makes that plain - Lucas isn't singled out by Billy because he's black, he's attacked because Billy saw him interact with Max the most. I'd be interested to see if this changes in Season 3 if Max and Lucas actually start dating - we might see both Hargrove and Billy get openly racist in that case. So far, though - Billy would get a 'maybe', Hargrove 'no evidence just speculation' (though not entirely unfounded, given his attitude so far.).
Agree. I feel like that has reached Fanon level. Especially since the Duffer Brothers have made it clear with examples like the walkie-talkies: they work or not work when the story needs them to. The same logic applies here, everyone is colorblind unless the story asks for it.
That's the same case with Billy and his father. If they have not made their views on contemporary social issues explicit for the story, they are just assholes and nothing more.
Ok, so its not just me. I thought I was going crazy for a second. Yeah, idk where it would have gone...
What.
Are there any backups of the entry we can just copy and paste back in?
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Before making the change, I wanted to run this idea here.
The Demogorgon is actually wounded by being set on fire. The wounds are severe enough to send it fleeing back to the Upside Down. Joyce and Hopper find a trail of blood in the other side's version of the house where it happened.
Granted, it regenerated the damage pretty quickly, but there's enough evidence to consider fire as the Demogorgon's Kryptonite Factor
Is there a technical reason for Eleven being moved into her own page? There's been conversation elsewhere on the site about sectioning off characters into single pages when the existing pages are fine in length. Looking the 'The Party' page, Eleven's entry doesn't seem excessively long and would fit fine?