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EmeraldEmperor Lies and Violence! Since: Oct, 2020
Lies and Violence!
Jul 26th 2021 at 11:50:51 AM •••

The 2014 Thanos shouldn't be separated into a different character folder, right? Aside from being a bit more of an egotistical dick, they're pretty much the same character; unlike the new Loki, we don't really spend that much time with him before he bites it; and even if we did separate them there'd be way too many tropes and examples to untangle.

Just looking for some clarification, especially with What If likely leading to us making folders for many of the wildly different Variants.

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Asherinka Since: Jan, 2018
Jul 26th 2021 at 6:14:56 PM •••

I was thinking about it. Theoretically, Thanos #2 is a variant with a different personality, so I'd say yes. Practically, it's a lot of work, and I'm not sure if it would make the page more or less readable.

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EmeraldEmperor Since: Oct, 2020
Jul 27th 2021 at 8:04:05 AM •••

Personally, I think it's far more trouble than it's worth; about half the tropes reference both versions within the same paragraph. We might have to repeat a few tropes (Insane Troll Logic for one), and it could get so bloated we'd have to make a second page (we of course already have a few one-off movie villains with their own pages, but doing so here just feels... weird).

And honestly, I kind of like the current layout. It's a good comparison between the two (a lot go into detail about a trope the original Thanos exemplifies, and how the 2014 one subverts it), and splitting/removing all of that would feel really disjointed.

Forenperser Foreign Troper Since: Mar, 2012
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Sep 10th 2018 at 9:41:36 AM •••

There seems to be this idea that some people have that Thanos is a Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist and a Hypocrite because he halfed Asgard's population more than once. The thing is, he never said anything about his goal being halving every species, he is talking about halving the population of the entire universe. Sure, he halved populations of planets before, but only because that was his only way of being able to act on his beliefs before he had the Gauntlet. I don't think his actions are contradictory at all and undermine his well intent (remember: Well intent doesn't equal good deeds).

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Asherinka Since: Jan, 2018
Sep 10th 2018 at 10:29:47 AM •••

Well intent would be to "save life in the universe." After all those commentaries and interviews it is clear that his main intent was "to prove that he knows how to save the universe," which is a staple of a Not-So-Well-Intentioned Extremist (check the trope page):

  • They claim good intentions as a mask to cover their real and self-serving motives.
Also after the double confirmation from the Russos and Brolin that he did not double (sorry for tautology) resources simply because he did not care enough to do it he falls under this as well:
  • They claim that their ends are good, and maybe they do believe it, but their ends are good only by their own sociopathic standards.
Killing 3/4 of the Asgardians, Drax's species etc is just another example of how he doesn't care.

Asherinka Since: Jan, 2018
Aug 6th 2018 at 11:53:08 AM •••

Adaptational Nice Guy (A Jerkass becomes nicer in an adaptation) and Adaptational Jerkass (A nice character becomes a Jerkass in an adaptation) can't simultaneously apply to a single character in the same movie - they are Opposite Tropes. I'd remove both tbh, and add the missing text to Adaptation Personality Change. I won't disagree with keeping one of them though. The question is - which one (if any). Opinions?

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ahasemore (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Aug 6th 2018 at 2:11:11 PM •••

Considering both entries and what he was like in the comics, I'd say he overall fits Adaptational Nice Guy more. Yeah, he still has his moments of cruelty and he's still a villain, but overall is a much better guy. That's my opinion at least.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Aug 6th 2018 at 7:41:50 PM •••

Agreed. He's way nicer overall, what with being well intentioned and having genuine, if twisted, love.

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Asherinka Since: Jan, 2018
Sep 1st 2018 at 8:22:01 AM •••

Troper RandomDudeDude deleted one of the entries. I won't contest the deletion but I'll copy the old wording here for reference:

  • Adaptational Nice Guy: In the comics, Thanos is a Death worshipper who killed half the universe as an offering to his "love" and who revels in his own sadistic impulses, to the point of deriving pleasure when subjected to the Penance Stare of Ghost Ridernote . In the MCU, Thanos is a true Well-Intentioned Extremist who believes killing trillions is a necessary evil to "save the universe from itself" and protect trillions more from resource wars, overpopulation, and permanent environmental damage to their own homes, and who regards his bloody work as a grim but ugly necessity to obtain his goals. In addition, he doesn't seek to become a living God and instead cedes control of the Infinity Gauntlet after accomplishing his mission. He also truly loved Gamora as a daughter and cried as he killed her. That said, he still did kill her for the Soul Stone, then murdered half of the population of the entire universe.

RandomDudeDude Since: Sep, 2018
Sep 1st 2018 at 8:28:30 AM •••

I'd say he's just as evil as the comic version in his own way.

ahasemore (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Sep 1st 2018 at 10:58:34 PM •••

His actions are just as evil, yes. But Thanos himself is not.

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Sep 1st 2018 at 11:15:35 PM •••

He performed the same actions, but given his motivation behind them, the fact he doesn't take as much enjoyment from them, and showing compassion to his victims. He's easily far nicer.

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