Discussion Characters / FateGrandOrderOtherCharacters

He’s already there.

The reason this discussion exists is because people are getting too sloppy with crosschecking character pages for formerly NPC/non-Servant characters and leaving redundant folders littered in Unplayable/Other pages, this is an active reminder to be less hasty when moving folders and clean up after yourself. Removed the Theseus folder here.

I do think a lot of characters here are pretty gratuitous, but Hephaestus-Prometheus is distinct enough from Hephaestus to warrant one.

First of all, the edit that claims that it is "just an ordinary tree" is wrong what is stated in the game itself. Bluebook says that what they found was "a bizarre... thing that resembled nothing so much as a dead tree". In a story where villain's Cosmic Keystones are "trees", doubting the narration on that seems unwise. Second, even if the narration isn't being honest, that is the only things we have to go on Subject E. What, are we meant to assume that there isn't Subject E in the first place? The Bluebook plotline has been on a halt after Atlantis, so we don't have any further info to go on. If we cannot trust what we are presented with, then what can we do?

It's also mentioned that the Foreign God attacked humanity with tree roots, so the all this tree imagery is meant to hint at something regarding Subject E. Even if the narration is suspect, most of it is saying that Subject E is a tree shaped alien, the one line speculating otherwise is stated in response to the Foreign God's reasons for attack humanity and not Subject E itself, and none of it is direct proof that it's just an ordinary tree since Bluebook never got to examine the corpse. I'd say we assume Subject E is an alien until new information is presented.

Yeah, the guy who keeps insisting it's just a tree seems to me like he's just taking things at face value while refusing to read between the lines.

We have no proof that it is "just a tree" as he assumes, we have no reason to believe that the scientists who found it would mistake an ordinary tree for anything else, there is mention of attempting to communicate (which would not be made if it was just a tree), the villain of the arc it debuts in uses trees and related plant life as her primary weapon...

I'd have to conclude that all evidence points AGAINST Subject E being a normal tree (an abnormal one, on the other hand, is entirely possible, because Beast VII), and the guy who made the edit is just in denial.

At the very least, he should take his "it's nothing but a tree" speculation to the WMG page instead, since we have more compelling evidence against that than for.

All we have for evidence that it is anything but a tree is Bluebook's word, and even he doesn't know whether it's true. The "evidence" is flimsy at best and outright lies at worst. At the absolute minimum, you shouldn't pretend its true nature isn't currently unknown.

"If we cannot trust what we are presented with, then what can we do?"

Simple. You acknowledge that what we are presented with is untrustworthy and don't act as if it is trustworthy.

"there is mention of attempting to communicate (which would not be made if it was just a tree)"

People sing to their houseplants and think that they're communicating with them. It doesn't mean anything. It also ignores the possibility that the scientists themselves were part of the fabrication, which would also explain why they were so unconcerned with the possibility that an alien race capable of interstellar travel would also be able to bring much more advanced weaponry to bear than humanity could withstand. Even if we are to assume they were all cartoonishly evil, their total lack of survival instinct is suspicious in its own right.

And isn't it awfully convenient that an assassin would just happen to be waiting for Bluebook, as if he knew he was coming to investigate? At that matter, we don't even know HOW David learned all of this. You're putting too much stock in what's given to you despite your accusations that I am doing that, especially since it's from someone with even less idea of what's going on than Chaldea.

We have little to no reason to believe that what we're presented with is untrustworthy, which is why we're treating it as reliable until proven otherwise.

Why would they try to communicate with something they have no reason to believe is intelligent? I'm guessing that Subject E had some degree of independent mobility to prove that it wasn't just a plant (though I'll admit this has no evidence and is thus a pretty weak argument). Or maybe it was a telepath; who knows?

An assassin waiting for him could be a coverup... or it could be an extremist basically going "do not defile my people's corpses." We have no way of knowing at this point, and we won't until we get some word of god on the topic.

We could be putting too much stock into what he heard, or you could be looking for conspiracies where there are none. Again, we don't have any evidence either way yet.

Basically, you're complaining about not being allowed to defend your position when, quite frankly, you don't have anything to defend it WITH beyond an obscure fact and rampant conspiracy theories.

"We have little to no reason to believe that what we're presented with is untrustworthy, which is why we're treating it as reliable until proven otherwise."

If we are given reason to doubt it the moment we are presented it, why should we treat it as reliable?

The way the scientists behave as a whole makes no sense. Not only do they defy their own orders, they have no regard for their own safety and think nothing of the implications of their actions when one might expect them to at least consider the possibility of a retaliatory invasion. And given the "simulated" nature of the Lostbelts, how can you be certain that this too was not simulated? Besides, the Beasts are by definition linked to humanity. An alien, something that is by definition outside of humanity, cannot have anything to do with Beasts. Area 51 still could have a link to the bleaching, but it is equally plausible that it might be because Marisbury or some other magus had a hidden workshop there and is/was acting as the mastermind behind the appearance of the Alien God. There is already evidence that Marisbury was directly responsible for Singularity F by way of Seraphix, and that Flauros went through with Goetia's plan because of something Marisbury was responsible for.

"An assassin waiting for him could be a coverup... or it could be an extremist basically going "do not defile my people's corpses." We have no way of knowing at this point, and we won't until we get some word of god on the topic."

An alien extremist which is clearly human in appearance based on the sprite we are shown, speaks in a human language when Subject E couldn't communicate with humans, knows who David is the moment he sees him, and wields a human handgun with what I have to assume are human hands and the knowledge of how to use a gun. That is incredibly implausible on several different levels and screams "this was a trap". We may have no way of knowing for sure, but we can make educated guesses.

So far your arguments are all saying "we don't know but we'll pretend that we do". Why not just acknowledge the ambiguity within the entry like I'm trying to do right now? I've put the version I initially had on WMG, and surely this would be sufficient to appease us both.

(I shall be away from this page for a while. I will respond to further posts when I have an opportunity to do so.)

We're treating it as reliable because without it, we have literally nothing to go on.

Not gonna deny that the scientists're being shady; however, this does not, in any way, damage the credibility of the "Subject E is an alien" thing- quite the opposite, in fact, because why would they go all mad scientist on something familiar?

You say "an alien cannot be a Beast" like we don't already have a Foreign God (as in, a being that is both a god and an alien) showing up as Beast VII and seeking to transfer itself to an extraterrestrial Ultimate One. That, at least, is explicitly wrong; the closest that argument can come to being not-wrong is how it's apparently using Olga as a host body.

Okay, not necessarily an extremist in person, probably more like a Servant summoned by said extremist. We know that Beast VII is more than capable of summoning them. Point is, we have no reason to believe it's just a coverup for your "normal tree" WMG.

I'm not complaining about you rephrasing the entries to make them more ambiguous; I'm just complaining about you stating "it's nothing but a tree" as if it's been officially confirmed that it was a completely nonmagical tree, because that has even less evidence than the Subject E stuff.

There's nothing to hint that Bluebook's an unreliable narrator. All you have is one line saying "Is that truly the reason?" which is referring to why the Foreign God is attacking. It's not "There might be more to this, therefore the Foreign God is not out to avenge Subject E, therefore it means Subject E is just a tree." And that is not a jumping point to believe that everything he's saying is a unreliable. How he found all this information is explained when he said that he explored Area 51. It's more logical to assume he's just reporting what he found, not that his narration is unreliable.

Your assumption that Subject E is just a tree relies on scientists never realizing its true nature, which I find that hard to believe. They vivisected its body and clearly found internal organs they identified as intestines, and what they thought what was a brain. I don't think there's a tree with organs more suited to flesh-based life. Then they harvested elements that couldn't be found on Earth, yet if the tree is so ordinary then where did those elements come from? Subject E also showed what they thought were emotions, yet trees don't have those.The other option is they were lying, yet that doesn't make sense. That would mean they falsified the whole report, put a tree in some aircraft and had it crash, then locked it up in a super secret room in an already secret base where no one except their superiors would be able to see the "report" and "alien."

Your article states that grass's distress signal is via scent, but the Subject E was emitting an unknown signal. Just because it's proven grass makes an aroma when it's cut doesn't mean you can jump to trees making an unknown signal, especially when aroma is not unknown by definition.

Why the assassin was waiting for Bluebook doesn't make sense if it's just an ordinary tree. They clearly don't want Bluebook examining it, but if it's so ordinary then why go through the trouble of protecting it.

Area 51 is definitely linked to the bleaching, Sion flat out states in the prologue of Heian Kyo that the bleaching started there. That's not a coincidence nor is it up for debate.

The reason why the alien can't be simulated in the same way as the Lostbelts is because Wodime states in Olympus that the Trees couldn't be anchored on the Earth until the Human Order was gone and the earth bleached. How could it be simulated if the conditions were not met yet?

It's clearly stated why the scientists acted the way they did. They initially began with friendly intentions, but became obsessed with the prospect of their advancing their own research, casualties be damned. They're just like mages in that regard.

You claim that we're taking things at face value here, but you're doing the opposite. You're taking one line and making a giant leap in logic here overall. And ultimately the burden of proof is on you. Almost everything in the game points to Subject E being an alien, and all your counter argument offers is "Bluebook might be mistaken" and "grass makes a scent when it's cut so this tree might be doing something similar." Even then, he saw that it was shaped like a tree, which is congruent with all the other evidence saying it's a tree-shaped alien and doesn't prove that it's ordinary.

"Not only do they defy their own orders, they have no regard for their own safety and think nothing of the implications of their actions"

Humans Are the Real Monsters + Bond Villain Stupidity. The things about Subject E's experimentation reminds me of how Church experimented on Ciel to confirm that, yes, she is immortal (see: page image of They Would Cut You Up). If humans have no problem doing horrible things to their own kind, what is stopping them from doing the same to something they are not? As Wodime has said, "Humans have never taken the right decision in their existence". Now is Subject E an alien lifeform is a discussion as of itself as on one hand, Velber, Aztec gods and Twelve Olympians but on other hand, Olga Marie being burned seemingly for all eternity except now she is here as Foreign God. But we hardly have enough info on U.-Olga Marie to make a proper assumption how she came to be.

The thing is, what is the point of giving all this info on Subject E and then being like "lol it was all fake, get vibe check'd" and just "kill off" Bluebook without actually giving any real answers? This isn't even a cliffhanger as we haven't heard anything about him for the longest time, and unless Tunguska Sanctuary is going to pick it up again, we probably won't get to hear much of it until LB7.

Now yes, the silhouetted figure is weird, but we also don't know who they are, and what their deal is. Especially due to speculation about Bluebook himself (i.e. "David is Daybit" theories). Was it one of Area 51 professors? Subject E? Marisbury? We don't know, and we don't know if the whole thing was a trap set up from the start or if they assumed that Bluebook would get here in their journey.

"There's nothing to hint that Bluebook's an unreliable narrator."

He could still be honestly mistaken. He couldn't possibly have known everything and was in a prime position to be manipulated by disinformation.

"Your assumption that Subject E is just a tree relies on scientists never realizing its true nature, which I find that hard to believe. They vivisected its body and clearly found internal organs they identified as intestines, and what they thought what was a brain. I don't think there's a tree with organs more suited to flesh-based life. Then they harvested elements that couldn't be found on Earth, yet if the tree is so ordinary then where did those elements come from? Subject E also showed what they thought were emotions, yet trees don't have those.The other option is they were lying, yet that doesn't make sense. That would mean they falsified the whole report, put a tree in some aircraft and had it crash, then locked it up in a super secret room in an already secret base where no one except their superiors would be able to see the "report" and "alien." "

I'm saying that the report is a forgery made by someone (most likely the assassin, who would have been in a perfect place to plant evidence as needed in order to lure him further in where there would be fewer chances for escape) and that there is a real chance that none of the events it recounts actually happened. The only proof we have it happened at all is what looks like an average tree, and given David's malnourished state I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't affecting his perception too. (And that doesn't even take into account the possibility of magecraft-based illusion.)

"Area 51 is definitely linked to the bleaching, Sion flat out states in the prologue of Heian Kyo that the bleaching started there. That's not a coincidence nor is it up for debate."

And I'm not. I'm disputing why it's linked to the bleaching. Subject E is likely to be a red herring.

"Why the assassin was waiting for Bluebook doesn't make sense if it's just an ordinary tree. They clearly don't want Bluebook examining it, but if it's so ordinary then why go through the trouble of protecting it."

All that was needed was something to get him close enough to investigate, hence my describing it as a trap. A fake plastic alien prop would have worked just as well.

"Almost everything in the game points to Subject E being an alien."

Only the same unreliable "sources" I already questioned. We need something else to confirm or deny them, and until then it is only right for them to be viewed with skepticism. Don't speak of burden of proof when your own is just as shaky.

Okay, so if someone set the whole thing up as a trap for Bluebrook... why would they be targeting him for immediate elimination instead of just letting him starve to death in the bleached world?

Occam's Razor, buddy: The simplest explanation is usually correct. We might be wrong, and we know that, but we're going with the "Subject E was legit" thing because it makes more sense than this blatant conspiracy theory you're making up. Bonus points for being reinforced by conservation of detail: If the whole thing was completely made up as a trap for one man who, quite frankly, is otherwise irrelevant, why would they tell us about it?

"Humans Are the Real Monsters + Bond Villain Stupidity. The things about Subject E's experimentation reminds me of how Church experimented on Ciel to confirm that, yes, she is immortal (see: page image of They Would Cut You Up). If humans have no problem doing horrible things to their own kind, what is stopping them from doing the same to something they are not? As Wodime has said, "Humans have never taken the right decision in their existence". Now is Subject E an alien lifeform is a discussion as of itself as on one hand, Velber, Aztec gods and Twelve Olympians but on other hand, Olga Marie being burned seemingly for all eternity except now she is here as Foreign God. But we hardly have enough info on U.-Olga Marie to make a proper assumption how she came to be."

I'll still drop the question about the cartoonish, purposeless nature of that evil and how even in the Nasuverse it is an aberration and note that instead it is more likely that the Foreign God is simply using the alien story as an extra smokescreen to hide its true identity. Given how many precautions it took to keep everyone in the dark and the implication that even its appearance as Olga is only a partial truth, its true identity must be its weakness and it is logical that it would throw people off in as many ways as possible. We may very well force it out of Olga's body, given all the hints that she might be saved.

"The thing is, what is the point of giving all this info on Subject E and then being like "lol it was all fake, get vibe check'd" and just "kill off" Bluebook without actually giving any real answers? This isn't even a cliffhanger as we haven't heard anything about him for the longest time, and unless Tunguska Sanctuary is going to pick it up again, we probably won't get to hear much of it until LB 7."

I consider it merely the means to suggest that Area 51 is involved while intentionally obfuscating the actual reasons for its involvement, with Bluebook's story as a whole giving an overview of life (such as it is) for the mundane victims of the bleaching. Daybit may likely be involved in it as well, but given his own mysteries we may not actually learn much from him (or worse, it compounds them further).

It might not have originally been made for him specifically, merely tailored to him as he grew more enmeshed in the trap. Alternately, they may not have wanted to run the risk of him stumbling over Chaldea and giving them the chance to swap notes, as it were.

In any case, a big chunk of Arc 2 has been dedicated to pointing out how the simplest explanation in this case is actually more likely to be wrong, or at least missing critical information. Especially when said simple explanation requires completely ignoring the existence of magecraft and everything associated with it. As for conservation of detail, I'd say that if they were following that they could have cut his story out completely, as it would have changed nothing to do so- the reveal from Sion could have simply been left as it is.

It cannot hurt to simply acknowledge the ambiguity within the profile so long as the situation remains ambiguous.

"Stumbling over Chaldea?" When they know that Chaldea is going directly from Lostbelt to Lostbelt as soon as it finds them (and is thus a direct threat, unlike Bluebrook)? They'd be more likely to just hire Koyanskaya to wipe Chaldea out directly. After all, they presumably know she can just teleport straight to them, and even if she fails that gives Beast VII information on where Chaldea is and how to get there.

There is "simplest explanation is not necessarily correct," and then there is "jump to the most outlandish conclusion possible in spite of all evidence to the contrary." You're pretty close to the latter, quite frankly, so your arguments are only serving to alienate us.

Conservation of detail can still be assumed to be in effect; they showed us his story, so there must be something actually relevant in it, which means we can safely assume that everything he said is correct and not a forgery.

The problem with the assassin subplot now is that they were there to kill Bluebook from the very beginning. They made fake reports and planted them all over the base, they made a fake body that he barely got to see, this is Complexity Addiction at its finest. If they wanted to kill him at Area 51, they would just need to wait there at its entrance, no need to go through all this extra effort to kill him in a secret room when there aren't any humans left to witness the crime. And there's zero chance of escaping anyways, he's on the brink of death thanks to starvation which would be pretty obvious, and has no gas left in his motorcycle.

" "Stumbling over Chaldea?" When they know that Chaldea is going directly from Lostbelt to Lostbelt as soon as it finds them (and is thus a direct threat, unlike Bluebrook)? They'd be more likely to just hire Koyanskaya to wipe Chaldea out directly. After all, they presumably know she can just teleport straight to them, and even if she fails that gives Beast VII information on where Chaldea is and how to get there."

I meant the assassin specifically, as they may be acting on their own independently from the Alien God assuming that they are the mastermind behind its presence.

"Conservation of detail can still be assumed to be in effect; they showed us his story, so there must be something actually relevant in it, which means we can safely assume that everything he said is correct and not a forgery."

As I said, I believe the Area 51 connection is correct, just not the reason for it. That at least should be less disputable. It also confirms the presence of at least one human working independently from Chaldea, the Foreign God's underlings, and the Crypters, one whose goals are unknown but likely malicious.

"The problem with the assassin subplot now is that they were there to kill Bluebook from the very beginning. They made fake reports and planted them all over the base, they made a fake body that he barely got to see, this is Complexity Addiction at its finest. If they wanted to kill him at Area 51, they would just need to wait there at its entrance, no need to go through all this extra effort to kill him in a secret room when there aren't any humans left to witness the crime. And there's zero chance of escaping anyways, he's on the brink of death thanks to starvation which would be pretty obvious, and has no gas left in his motorcycle."

The starvation part honestly makes his story less reliable, as a nearly-starved person would not exactly be in their right mind, but for the sake of not taking too many factors into account at once I shall overlook it. And really, they had to be there to kill him from the start- how else would they have known his name and intentions?

Can we at least agree that the character entry right now is in a state everyone can tolerate?

Your assassin thing's still running into the problem of "why would they care?" I, for one, am going to assume the killer's a sentry with some sort of "see your true name" ability until proven otherwise, because that makes more sense than whatever the hell you're talking about (and his intentions are easy to figure out because why else would he be there reading those files?).

As I said (repeatedly, even), we have no reason to disbelieve what we've been told, so until it's proven wrong we're operating under the assumption that it's objectively true.

Barring the utter implausibility of a non-magus being able to see true names, I shall relent for now and just say "I told you so" later should I end up being correct, as I still have no confidence that the majority of it is true.

I am simply asking at this point if my edits to the entry are acceptable or not.

Who said non-magus? I already raised the possibility that the killer was a Servant assigned to the area, and they frequently have more esoteric abilities than "I know your true name just by looking at you."

Anyway, I've already said that I'm fine with making those entries more ambiguous, so long as you don't go all the way and go "everything is a lie, it's just a tree" in its actual character entry.

I removed the question in the opening lines since I felt like it doesn't really fit David doesn't really question what is written, but otherwise it looks fine.

Thank you, I just wasn't certain.

It seems very strange for a Servant to use a mundane handgun, though. The only ones we have that are known to do so are Billy and Kiritsugu and the unknown figure doesn't have either of their distinctive speech patterns. It also opens up the question of who the Master might be, if anybody- it can't be any of the Crypters since they're in the Lostbelts most of the time, and it obviously isn't Chaldea. And if the US military had magi and Servants in use, you'd bet there would be more evidence of the usual magus paraphernalia than there was (although Bluebook, knowing nothing of magecraft, may simply have been unable to identify it).

Can't say on the Servant identity front, but as for the Master... you know what, let's pull a CCC event thing: The Master is the dead-but-still-sort-of-active corpse of Subject E. Makes as much sense as anything, given what we've seen so far.

Now that opens up even more questions- how could an alien, let alone a mostly dead one, summon a Servant, a being that's linked to Alaya and Human Order?

Overall the page looks fine from my point of view as well. Let's hope that the new event finally advances this plotline. Atlantis releasing in NA reminds me it's been 2 years since we last visited it.

We don't know what the hell is up with the Foreign God, but the information Kadoc implies it might not be so alien after all. There's just too many mysteries around it right now.

Same way Velber summoned Archimedes over in Extella, or Beast VII summoned her disciples. Just because the Master isn't of the Earth doesn't mean that they can't successfully summon a Servant; the summoning itself is just a spell, after all.

Frankly, I think the whole being dead thing is a bigger obstacle, but those Masters over in SE.RA.PH (and, now that I think of it, Gilgamesh in Babylonia) managed so obviously that isn't as big of an issue as it seems.

Gil was alive in Babylonia right until the end, in SE.RA.PH. Kiara was basically using a quirk of the Rayshift coffins to play Schrödinger's Master, and in Extella I thought Archimedes was a Moon Cell Servant corrupted by Velber after he found the Ark of the Stars. Beast VII on the other hand is being hinted pretty hard as never having actually been an alien but merely disguising itself as one, hence my suspicion of the alien story.

I doubt the event (or possibly LB 6.5, Heian-Kyo was ostensibly an event too) will shed any light on it, seems mostly focused on dealing with Vitch for good.

And yet Gil still managed to summon himself using his own corpse as a catalyst.

That Schrodinger's Master thing is exactly why I made the comparison.

I honestly can't say one way or the other for Archy since I've never played Extella; I just assumed that if he works for Velber he must've been summoned by it.

Anyway, another counterexample: Goetia. Blatantly inhuman, blatantly working against the human order, and blatantly summoning Servants left and right. Only thing missing is the whole extraterrestrial thing, which, frankly, I don't see as being an issue.

Pardon the delay, I was asleep.

For Goetia, I assume that his ability to create and manipulate Holy Grails might have something to do with it. I understand the comparison, but it needed specific circumstances to work, and those appear to be absent now.

Sleep is understandable; just about to do that myself.

Anyway, I'll be perfectly honest: I stopped taking the conversation seriously around the time I suggested Subject E as the maybe-Servant's Master.

I did manage to think of a specific Servant it could be, though: Assassin Al Capone. (In)famous enough to get to the Throne, modern enough to use firearms, and probably weak enough that he'd try to avoid getting mixed up in anything serious.

I could not tell; I always take my discussions seriously unless they are so clearly ridiculous that doing so would be impossible. But you probably figured that out at this point.

Capone could certainly qualify as an Anti-Hero, but he was too ambitious and too fond of attention for him to be someone who wouldn't want to get mixed up in things. It would need to be someone more cowardly and sneaky by nature.

Thinking about it further, Gil might have begun a summoning ritual somehow (remember, it was easier in the age of gods) and simply used himself as both the catalyst and the completion of the incantation, sort of like what happened with Zouken in London.

As for Archimedes, a look at EXTELLA/Material confirms that he was originally summoned by the Moon Cell to act as a technician for SE.RA.PH. but became corrupted by exposure to the Umbral Star. So while aliens might be able to subvert Servants that are already summoned, it doesn't seem like they would be able to summon them unassisted.

Only now I realized another point with the scientists: government staff, especially those who are part of the military, are extensively indoctrinated to view following orders as a supreme good and disobedience as an unacceptable crime. Even if we are to assume they all had the same lack of morality as an average magus, it is still implausible that they would break that indoctrination and even more so that the superiors who gave them the order would do nothing about it. I've worked with the military personally (albeit in a much more banal manner), and they keep a very tight leash on their people. I suppose they could have all kept it secret from the top brass somehow, but that seems implausible in its own right. Someone would have had to slip up eventually, especially given the many ways the US government can spy on its citizens.

Capone was also smart enough to avoid leaving evidence linking him to almost all of his many crimes; everyone knew he was a criminal, but nobody could prove it until the tax evasion thing. You don't achieve that kind of success by getting in over your head.

Out of universe? I don't know if Nasu knows about that whole "military loyalty" thing. In universe, I'll just blame it on a magus somehow infiltrating the command chain and using it to get his evil on (after all, there are people who are naturally pure evil in the Nasuverse).

(Again, pardon the wait.)

You have a point, although I'm still not quite sure how that would translate to being an Assassin. Maybe an Archer given how that seems to be the class for gun users when Gunner isn't available.

I'd be surprised if Nasu was ignorant about it, it's the defining trait of basically every military on Earth- you can be the best soldier on the planet but if you won't follow orders you'll be a burden if not an outright threat. Command chains tend to be carefully watched over, but I guess the government might have some kind of super secret Black Ops division that's in charge of magecraft-related stuff...but given that you'd prefer that I stay away from wild speculation instead of invite more of it, I'm not sure if you'd buy that.

As I said before, it's not the speculation itself I had a problem with so much as how you were putting it on the trope page like it had been officially confirmed.

A requirement for the Archer class is notable marksmanship. Moriarty's whole qualification is that he fused with a guy who had magic bullets that never missed, for example.

That means Capone, lacking notable stories about his marksmanship, probably doesn't qualify for Archer, meaning he's almost certainly a different class. I picked Assassin because his whole thing was covert ops and plausible deniability; if Mata Hari can make it in just by being a spy, Capone can probably make it by being a mob boss.

Fair enough point. He didn't seem to be using any kind of Presence Concealment though, and it seems odd for an assassin to openly announce his presence.

I'll go with him having a very low rank in Presence Concealment (compensating with Information Erasure, due to the "everyone knew, but nobody could prove it" thing), and you said yourself that he was a bit of an attention whore so he could very well reveal himself solely to taunt someone he's about to kill.