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\\\"The only reason that you can legitimately change or remove a YMMV entry is if you can demonstrate that it is factually inaccurate or is misusing the trope.[...]
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[hottip:*: No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\" Baradorf\\\" for a reason.]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[hottip:*: And just because Cia is n much more sexualized in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[hottip:*: No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\" Baradorf\\\" for a reason.]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[hottip:*: And just because Cia is n much more sexualized in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
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\\\"The only reason that you can legitimately change or remove a YMMV entry is if you can demonstrate that it is factually inaccurate or is misusing the trope.[...]
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[hottip:*:No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\" Baradorf\\\" for a reason.]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[hottip:*:And just because Cia is n much more sexualized in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[hottip:*:No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\" Baradorf\\\" for a reason.]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[hottip:*:And just because Cia is n much more sexualized in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
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\\\"The only reason that you can legitimately change or remove a YMMV entry is if you can demonstrate that it is factually inaccurate or is misusing the trope.[...]
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[hottip:*:No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\"[[JustForPun Bara]]dorf\\\" for a reason.]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[note]]And just because Cia is [[UpToEleven much more sexualized]] in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.[[/note]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[hottip:*:No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\"[[JustForPun Bara]]dorf\\\" for a reason.]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[note]]And just because Cia is [[UpToEleven much more sexualized]] in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.[[/note]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
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\\\"The only reason that you can legitimately change or remove a YMMV entry is if you can demonstrate that it is factually inaccurate or is misusing the trope.[...]
YMMV means \\\'These are subjective. Different people will see them differently\\\'. Someone adding one is saying \\\'This is what I think.\\\' Deleting it is effectively saying \\\'No, you don\\\'t really think that.\\\'\\\"
I\\\'m quoting that mostly to let anyone one else know where I\\\'m going with the rest of this post.
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Well, I\\\'ve just a few comments; I don\\\'t really disagree with their removal, I do question some of the reasoning:
* BrokenBase (Baton): Most of the rage came from social media sites like Youtube. People \\\'\\\'were\\\'\\\' (and still are, from what I\\\'ve seen) upset, but I assume those people haven\\\'t yet realized the reasoning behind the weapon names in the trailers. Once the game actually releases, it should die down.
* WinBackTheCrowd: I agree with the reason, although the first bullet (about many people reacting negatively to the game upon first reveal, then showing actual interest when Famitsu revealed what it did) seems accurate to the trope. The rest of it could fit under AndTheFandomRejoiced probably.
* EvilIsSexy: While true, it\\\'s YMMV for a reason as well; what people find \\\"sexy\\\" varies wildly (particularly for male characters, especially if they aren\\\'t [[{{Bishonen}} pretty boys]], which are usually the only type of evil guys that are regularly put into this trope). I believe that if intent could be easily read by the audience, then the trope wouldn\\\'t be a YMMV trope (and I wouldn\\\'t be surprised if this started out as a main trope, but got labeled with YMMV because editors couldn\\\'t agree on how it was supposed to be used and who was a proper example).
** And to be honest, Ganondorf\\\'s \\\'\\\'HW\\\'\\\' appearance \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' similar to [[BaraGenre a specific body type that\\\'s generally considered sexy]] by some (and is incidentally used by villains more often than not, especially in Japanese media). Don\\\'t be surprised if he\\\'s added back, since he doesn\\\'t really \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' fit the trope outside of not being conventionally \\\"sexy\\\".[[note]]No, I\\\'m not implying GD\\\'s gay or bisexual in this game, just that he\\\'s got the right build for the genre. Many people are calling him \\\"[[JustForPun Bara]]dorf\\\" for a reason.[[/note]]
** All of that said though, it may be more accurate for HW!Ganondorf to be considered a DracoInLeatherPants. The trailers make it pretty clear that he\\\'s evil, we just don\\\'t know \\\'\\\'how\\\'\\\' evil.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Well, I\\\'ve seen many people talk about Cia as if she were the \\\'\\\'first\\\'\\\' \\\"sexy\\\" villainess in the series. Veran should probably be mentioned in BaseBreaker in the bit about other Stripperific characters in the series, but she was definitely the first sexy villainess on design alone.[[note]]And just because Cia is [[UpToEleven much more sexualized]] in her design than Veran, that doesn\\\'t really diminish Veran\\\'s qualities at all.[[/note]] That said though, your reason for deletion seems to fit with the trope\\\'s \\\'\\\'actual\\\'\\\' definition (and makes me wonder if we need to open a TRS for it, since I\\\'ve mostly seen OlderThanTheyThink used this way more often than not).
The others are fine from what I can see. However, the \\\"speculative\\\" ones are mostly based on trends with the fandom, so they\\\'ll probably be added once the game hits the ground.
Sorry if I sound argumentative or anything; I\\\'m mostly just voicing my opinion since you actually had the courtesy to put your edit reasons on the discussion page.
