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* In \\\"Enemy at the Gates\\\", Suyin Beifong has this in spades. Despite the fact that Kuvira is no saint, Suyin spends the entire episode, flashbacks included, being uncharacteristically unreasonable about the whole affair. She claims to be not interested in imposing her ideals on others during a flashback with Raiko and Tenzin, then turns around and tries to impose them on [[BigBad Kuvira]] and Baatar Jr when they try to leave Zaofu. When Korra returns and tries to use diplomacy to get Kuvira to stand down, Suyin first asks her to just wipe the army out using the Avatar State, then doesn\\\'t even wait for her to return from negotiations before going on a clandestine mission with her twin sons, Wei and Wing, to \\\"put an end to this\\\", implicitly meaning she\\\'s going to \\\'\\\'assassinate\\\'\\\' Kuvira. Kuvira\\\'s [[KnightTemplar no prize pigeon herself]], but Suyin is hardly coming out of this one smelling like roses.
Matt620 cut out everything past the part where Kuvira and Baatar left Zaofu, saying quote
\\\"Dude, your version of this is really badly written and ignores the reality of what Kuvira does. It\\\'s already been noted by both her and Opal that she forces cities to her rule into slave labor, concentration camps, and that she outright murders those who get in her way. Suyin not wanting to hand control over to her, and trying to take her out, is a valid solution to someone who has as stilted an idea of what diplomacy is as Kuvira. If you still want to argue, we can take it to discussion, but you can\\\'t just blast Suyin without the context of Kuvira.\\\"
Since \\\"They started it!\\\" is apparently an acceptable reason to be uncivil, Kuvira was met with hostility from the word go, so why should she be civil (which, even though she had no reason to, she actually did make an attempt at before the family Beifong assholed all over her)?
Kuvira decided to step up and do what Suyin was unwilling to do, and Suyin tried to shut her down without even considering her position. She tried to force Kuvira to believe what she wanted and turned her back on her own son when he sided with Kuvira over her.
When Kuvira arrived in Zaofu as the ruler of the Earth Empire, she tried to use diplomacy to get Suyin to surrender Zaofu without unnecessary casualties, even bringing Bolin because she knows that Suyin wouldn\\\'t accept it if Kuvira said the grass was green and the sky was blue, but Suyin acted like an asshole to her the entire time, even when Kuvira kept a civil tone.
Kuvira\\\'s crimes aren\\\'t relevant in this context because Suyin isn\\\'t mad about those crimes. Her opinion of Kuvira\\\'s activities was the same when Kuvira left as it is now; she\\\'s mad that Kuvira is forcing her own ideologies upon others by throwing her weight around. Everything Kuvira is doing after the fact, reeducation camps, slave labor, threatening to kill Varrick, is just proof positive of Suyin\\\'s position as far as she\\\'s concerned.
They don\\\'t matter to Suyin so they don\\\'t matter here, and in any event, don\\\'t matter either way because it doesn\\\'t change the fact that Suyin is being an asshole and the other guy being evil doesn\\\'t give you a free pass on that. Compounding this perfect storm of hypocrisy and {{Jerkass}}ness is her apparent intent to assassinate Kuvira, in defiance of Korra\\\'s attempt to get Kuvira to stand down because Korra wouldn\\\'t go all PersonOfMassDestruction on Kuvira like Suyin wanted. Throw in corruption of minors for bringing along her teenaged sons.
Hence unsympathetic. BlackAndGreyMorality if you like.
Matt620 cut out everything past the part where Kuvira and Baatar left Zaofu, saying quote
\\\"Dude, your version of this is really badly written and ignores the reality of what Kuvira does. It\\\'s already been noted by both her and Opal that she forces cities to her rule into slave labor, concentration camps, and that she outright murders those who get in her way. Suyin not wanting to hand control over to her, and trying to take her out, is a valid solution to someone who has as stilted an idea of what diplomacy is as Kuvira. If you still want to argue, we can take it to discussion, but you can\\\'t just blast Suyin without the context of Kuvira.\\\"
Since \\\"They started it!\\\" is apparently an acceptable reason to be uncivil, Kuvira was met with hostility from the word go, so why should she be civil (which, even though she had no reason to, she actually did make an attempt at before the family Beifong assholed all over her)?
Kuvira decided to step up and do what Suyin was unwilling to do, and Suyin tried to shut her down without even considering her position. She tried to force Kuvira to believe what she wanted and turned her back on her own son when he sided with Kuvira over her.
When Kuvira arrived in Zaofu as the ruler of the Earth Empire, she tried to use diplomacy to get Suyin to surrender Zaofu without unnecessary casualties, even bringing Bolin because she knows that Suyin wouldn\\\'t accept it if Kuvira said the grass was green and the sky was blue, but Suyin acted like an asshole to her the entire time, even when Kuvira kept a civil tone.
Kuvira\\\'s crimes aren\\\'t relevant in this context because Suyin isn\\\'t mad about those crimes. Her opinion of Kuvira\\\'s activities was the same when Kuvira left as it is now; she\\\'s mad that Kuvira is forcing her own ideologies upon others by throwing her weight around. Everything Kuvira is doing after the fact, reeducation camps, slave labor, threatening to kill Varrick, is just proof positive of Suyin\\\'s position as far as she\\\'s concerned.
They don\\\'t matter to Suyin so they don\\\'t matter here, and in any event, don\\\'t matter either way because it doesn\\\'t change the fact that Suyin is being an asshole and the other guy being evil doesn\\\'t give you a free pass on that. Compounding this perfect storm of hypocrisy and {{Jerkass}}ness is her apparent intent to assassinate Kuvira, in defiance of Korra\\\'s attempt to get Kuvira to stand down because Korra wouldn\\\'t go all PersonOfMassDestruction on Kuvira like Suyin wanted. Throw in corruption of minors for bringing along her teenaged sons.
Hence unsympathetic. BlackAndGreyMorality if you like.
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** [[spoiler:P Prince Hans\'s]] real reasons for [[spoiler:wooing Anna]]. A man takes advantage of [[spoiler:a young woman\'s need for love, even asking for her hand in marriage]]. Then, due to one circumstance or another, [[spoiler:he doesn\'t need her anymore]], throwing her away after his use of her was over.]]
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** [[spoiler:P Prince Hans\\\'s]] real reasons for [[spoiler:wooing Anna]]. A man takes advantage of [[spoiler:a young woman\\\'s need for love, even asking for her hand in marriage]]. Then, due to one circumstance or another, [[spoiler:he doesn\\\'t need her anymore, throwing her away after his use of her was over.]]
