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[008] 2.100.119.94 Current Version
19th Jun '14 at 02:21:59 PM
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find those grades are average by Gotei 13 standards. The four great houses get a unique perk of being able to waive the final academy exams, but that\'s all. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world). They have the same opportunities as the aristocrats when they do and if aristocrats can\'t cut it, they don\'t get the high positions (Byakuya\'s own father).
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find those grades are average by Gotei 13 standards. The four great houses get a unique perk of being able to waive the final academy exams, but that\\\'s all. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\\\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\\\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\\\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world). They have the same opportunities as the aristocrats when they do and if aristocrats can\\\'t cut it, they don\\\'t get the high positions (Byakuya\\\'s own father). When it was revealed Rukia had been held back by Byakuya, it was implied her talent would have got her the seats, not her name.
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This trope could apply with an example rework (since it covers education/training), but it wouldn\'t be Rukia focused. The story said shinigami who excel in the academy have great pressure on them to enter at the seated level. Hisagi (a commoner) was the example used. There was an also an elite class for the Gotei\'s future stars, which Renji, Hinamori and Kira went into (two commoners, one noble). Similar situations are indicated for Gin (commoner), Kaien (outcast ex-aristocrat), Hitsugaya (commoner).

Byakuya put a stop to Rukia getting a seated position, but when that was revealed it was indicated that it was Rukia\'s talent that would have got her the seat, not the status her adoption had given her.

The trope could be applied to this story, judging by its description - but there would be several examples: Hisagi, Gin, Kaien, Hitsugaya, and it would be based on training/\'education\' rather than aristocracy. It might be worth explaining that Rukia\'s talent should have got her the same notice and expectation, but the reason she didn\'t in the academy was due to her low confidence and in the Gotei was due to both that and Byakuya\'s block on her advancement.
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This trope could apply with an example rework (since it covers education/training), but it wouldn\\\'t be Rukia focused. The story said shinigami who excel in the academy have great pressure on them to enter at the seated level. Hisagi (a commoner) was the example used. There was an also an elite class for the Gotei\\\'s future stars, which Renji, Hinamori and Kira went into (two commoners, one noble). Similar situations are indicated for Gin (commoner), Kaien (outcast ex-aristocrat), Hitsugaya (commoner). Rukia\\\'s low confidence was the problem in the academy and Byakuya\\\'s block made that worse in the Gotei, so it might be worth adding that Rukia would have in the same position as these other shining stars if not for this.
[007] 2.100.119.94
19th Jun '14 at 02:18:36 PM
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find those grades are average by Gotei 13 standards. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world, rather than being born and bred there).
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find those grades are average by Gotei 13 standards. The four great houses get a unique perk of being able to waive the final academy exams, but that\\\'s all. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\\\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\\\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\\\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world). They have the same opportunities as the aristocrats when they do and if aristocrats can\\\'t cut it, they don\\\'t get the high positions (Byakuya\\\'s own father).
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However, when shinigami do come from the commoners, they have all the same opportunities aristocrats have. Byakuya\'s father was not guaranteed a captain seat just because Ginrei was a captain and one of the highest ranked aristocrats. He wasn\'t cut out for it, so he wasn\'t eligible.
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This trope could apply with an example rework (since it covers education/training), but it wouldn\\\'t be Rukia focused. The story said shinigami who excel in the academy have great pressure on them to enter at the seated level. Hisagi (a commoner) was the example used. There was an also an elite class for the Gotei\\\'s future stars, which Renji, Hinamori and Kira went into (two commoners, one noble). Similar situations are indicated for Gin (commoner), Kaien (outcast ex-aristocrat), Hitsugaya (commoner).
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The story does mention there\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble.
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Byakuya put a stop to Rukia getting a seated position, but when that was revealed it was indicated that it was Rukia\\\'s talent that would have got her the seat, not the status her adoption had given her.
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The only perk that the very top of the aristocracy gets that isn\'t allowed anyone else (both aristocrats and commoners alike) is the waiving of the academy exams for entrance into the Gotei 13. Byakuya put a stop to Rukia getting a seated position, but when that was revealed it was indicated that it was Rukia\'s talent that would have got her the seat, not the status her adoption had given her.

The trope could be applied to this story, judging by its description - but there would be several examples: Hisagi, Gin, Kaien, Hitsugaya, and it would be based on training/\'education\' rather than aristocracy.
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The trope could be applied to this story, judging by its description - but there would be several examples: Hisagi, Gin, Kaien, Hitsugaya, and it would be based on training/\\\'education\\\' rather than aristocracy. It might be worth explaining that Rukia\\\'s talent should have got her the same notice and expectation, but the reason she didn\\\'t in the academy was due to her low confidence and in the Gotei was due to both that and Byakuya\\\'s block on her advancement.
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19th Jun '14 at 02:09:10 PM
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find they\'re average by Gotei 13 standards. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world, rather than being born and bred there).
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find those grades are average by Gotei 13 standards. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\\\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\\\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\\\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world, rather than being born and bred there).
[005] 2.100.119.94
19th Jun '14 at 02:08:38 PM
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Rukia herself says someone with good academy grades will find they\'re average by Gotei 13 standards. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world, rather than being born and bred there).
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Rukia herself says someone like her with good academy grades will find they\\\'re average by Gotei 13 standards. Byakuya himself does say the highest level of aristocracy have bankai level ability more often, but not that it\\\'s guaranteed - he points out it doesn\\\'t happen in every generation. The setting also tells us that shinigami are born and bred in Soul Society - it\\\'s rare for shinigami to come out of the commoners (who come from the human world, rather than being born and bred there).
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The story does mention there\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble. Rukia wasn\'t in the class, her grades were academy good, gotei average.
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The story does mention there\\\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble.
[004] 2.100.119.94
19th Jun '14 at 02:07:42 PM
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The story does mention there\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble. Rukia wasn\'t in the class.
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The story does mention there\\\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble. Rukia wasn\\\'t in the class, her grades were academy good, gotei average.
[003] 2.100.119.94
19th Jun '14 at 02:07:07 PM
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The story does mention there\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble.
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The story does mention there\\\'s a heavy expectation of shinigami who excel in the academy. So the trope description, which does cover training, can be applied to a meritocratic organisation. Hisagi was the main example used, however. It was stated that he was so talented in the academy that a seated position had already been created that he was expected to go into upon graduating. Hisagi is a commoner, not an aristocrat. Similar situations were in place for Gin (commoner) and Kaien (outcast ex-aristocracy), implied to have been the case with Hitsugaya (commoner), etc. Renji, Hinamori and Kira were shunted into an elite academy class designed to nurture them as the future stars of the Gotei 13 - two of them were commoners and one was a noble. Rukia wasn\\\'t in the class.
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19th Jun '14 at 02:05:51 PM
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The reason this was moved is because this example isn\'t what the trope description says. It\'s a different trope.
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The reason this was moved is because this example as written doesn\\\'t fit the trope. Rukia was re-added with part of the reason being based on her exceptional power. But she\\\'s a commoner. She\\\'s only an aristocrat by adoption, so her talent has nothing to do with her being a Kuchiki.
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Rukia was re-added with part of the reason being based on her exceptional power. But she\'s a commoner. She\'s only an aristocrat by adoption, so her talent has nothing to do with her being a Kuchiki.
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[001] 188.63.82.184
27th Apr '14 at 02:36:21 AM
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The tropes are not that compatible. Also, that would not be a FiveManBand then.
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The tropes are not that compatible, and besides, TheChick is not \\\"any woman\\\". Also, that would not be a FiveManBand then.

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