Discussion History Characters / BleachGotei13Squads1-7

* Origins: Did they originate in some sort of EldritchLocation, such as another dimension or a rip in reality? Are they the offspring of, or otherwise created by, an EldritchAbomination? Or are their origins unknown (due to TimeAbyss, their alien nature, etc.)?

* Origins: Did they originate in some sort of EldritchLocation, such as another dimension or a rip in reality? Or are their origins unknown (due to TimeAbyss, their alien nature, etc.)? Are they the offspring of, or otherwise created by, an EldritchAbomination?

* Do they [[AlienGeometries defy the fundamental laws]] of nature or magic?

Most Humanoid Abominations are creations of {{Mythopoeia}} rather than traditional monsters such as vampires and demons. Which isn\\\'t to say that a vampire, demon, or other familiar foe \\\'\\\'can\\\'t\\\'\\\' fall under this trope but they still need to fit the above criteria. To sum it up, a Humanoid Abomination is not merely a powerful supernatural being. As one Troper put it succinctly, \\\"Abominations are violations of the very fictional universes that they infect.\\\"

* Do they [[AlienGeometries defy the fundamental laws]] of nature or magic? To put it simply, \\\"Abominations are violations of the very fictional universes that they infect.\\\"

Most Humanoid Abominations are creations of {{Mythopoeia}} rather than traditional monsters such as vampires and demons. Which isn\\\'t to say that a vampire, demon, or other familiar foe \\\'\\\'can\\\'t\\\'\\\' fall under this trope but they still need to fit the above criteria.

* Do they have other [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation madness-inducing]] properties?

* Do they have other [[GoneMadFromTheRevelations madness-inducing]] properties?

* Is the character\\\'s humanoid form merely a disguise or covering for something more along the line of an EldritchAbomination? Would seeing this true form [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation drive a human mad]]? Is it [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too alien to comprehend]]?

* Do they defy the fundamental laws of nature or magic? As one [[((Troper)) Troper/Dagobitus]] put it, \\\"Abominations are violations of the very fictional universes that they infect.\\\"

Most Humanoid Abominations are creations of {{Mythopoeia}} rather than traditional monsters such as vampires and demons. Which isn\\\'t to say that a vampire, demon, or other familiar foe \\\'\\\'can\\\'t\\\'\\\' fall under this trope but they still need to fit the above criteria.

* Do they defy the fundamental laws of nature or magic? As one [[Troper Troper/Dagobitus]] put it, \\\"Abominations are violations of the very fictional universes that they infect.\\\"

* Do they originate in some sort of EldritchLocation, such as another dimension or a rip in reality? Or are their origins unknown (due to TimeAbyss, their alien nature, etc.)?

I think it would be very helpful if we had a clear checklist, like the one on the CosmicHorrorStory page. I propose that a supernatural character should fit at least three of the following criteria:

I think it would be very helpful if we had a clear checklist, like the one on the CosmicHorrorStory page. I propose that a supernatural character should fit at least two or three of the following criteria:

* Is the character\\\'s humanoid form merely a disguise or covering for something more along the line of an EldritchAbomination? Would seeing this true form [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation drive a human mad]]? Or is it simply [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too alien to comprehend]]?

* Is the character\\\'s visible form merely a disguise or covering for something more along the line of an EldritchAbomination? Would seeing this form [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation drive a human mad]]? Or is it simply [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too alien to comprehend]]?

I think it would be very helpful if we had a clear checklist, like the one on the CosmicHorrorStory page. I propose that a supernatural character should fit at least two of the following criteria:

We\\\'re having a problem with TropeDecay here and really need a clean-up.
Most people seem to think a HumanoidAbomination is simply a really powerful supernatural being that does bad things. I think the problem is most Tropers are not familiar with the [[CosmicHorrorStory Cosmic Horror]] genre and the tropes that go along with it.

We\\\'re having a problem with TropeDecay here and really need a clean-up. People are just throwing down whatever powerful being they can think of. I think we need a clear checklist, like the one on the CosmicHorrorStory page. A supernatural character should fit at least two of the following criteria:

I would say if it fits two or three of those criteria, then it qualifies.

We\\\'re having a problem with TropeDecay here and really need a clean-up. People are just throwing down whatever powerful being they can think of. I think we need a clear checklist, like the one on the CosmicHorrorStory page. A proposal:

1. Is the character\\\'s visible form merely a disguise or covering for something more along the line of an EldritchAbomination? Would seeing this form [[GoneMadFromTheRevelation drive a human mad]]? Or is it simply [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm too alien to comprehend]]?

2. Are the character\\\'s motives or behavior [[BlueAndOrangeMorality incomprehensible by any conceivable moral code]]? Or conversely, if they are evil, is it more incidental than deliberate? (Meaning, is their goal something so far beyond us that harm to humans is a negligible side effect?)

3. Do they originate in some sort of EldritchLocation, such as another dimension or a rip in reality?

4. Are they a subject of, or connected to, a {{cult}} or ReligionOfEvil?

5. If they are a villain, is the tone of the work deeply pessimistic about the possibility of them being defeated completely?