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The point about the Hs-294 was that the claim that modern anti-ship missiles didn\'t have the capability listed is factually inaccurate. The Russians had a very similar missile called the RAT-52 and the U.S. Navy one called Petrel. The attack profile in question proved to be useless; it was much more effective simply to fly the missile into the target. Dropping it in the water and running it as a torpedo drastically reduced hit probabilities and the technique was abandoned. Modern missiles don\'t use the idea because they can\'t; they don\'t use it because it is a very bad idea
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The point about the Hs-294 was that the claim that modern anti-ship missiles didn\\\'t have the capability listed is factually inaccurate. The Russians had a very similar missile called the RAT-52 and the U.S. Navy one called Petrel. The attack profile in question proved to be useless; it was much more effective simply to fly the missile into the target. Dropping it in the water and running it as a torpedo drastically reduced hit probabilities and the technique was abandoned. Modern missiles don\\\'t use the idea not because they can\\\'t but because it is a very bad idea
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I\'m afraid you are wrong here.
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I\\\'m afraid you are completely wrong here.
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The point about the Hs-294 was that the claim that modern anti-ship missiles didn\'t have the capability listed is factually inaccurate. The Russians had a very similar missile called the RAT-52 and the U.S. Navy one called Petrel. The attack profile in question proved to be useless; it was much more effective simply to fly the missile into the target. Dropping it in the water and running it as a torpedo drastcially reduced hit probabilities and the technique was abandoned.
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The point about the Hs-294 was that the claim that modern anti-ship missiles didn\\\'t have the capability listed is factually inaccurate. The Russians had a very similar missile called the RAT-52 and the U.S. Navy one called Petrel. The attack profile in question proved to be useless; it was much more effective simply to fly the missile into the target. Dropping it in the water and running it as a torpedo drastically reduced hit probabilities and the technique was abandoned. Modern missiles don\\\'t use the idea because they can\\\'t; they don\\\'t use it because it is a very bad idea
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Your statement that the Hs294, Fi-103 and A-4 were the basis of all guided missile and ICBM delivery systems is quite wrong and it is this kind of sweeping mis-statement that I\'m trying to correct. FYI the U.S. had equivalent anti-ship guided missiles from 1944 onwards (so did the Japanese by the way) and was actually somewhat in advance of the German techniques that relied on easily-jammed links. Also, the U.S. mass-produced a cruise missile before the Second World War. I suggest you look up the Kettering Bug. The Russians also had a very V-1-like missile, the Kh-10 that looked like but was developed independently of the Fi-103. As to the A-4, there were U.S. teams working on similar programs; in fact there were seven U.S. rocket design teams. The American scientist Goddard and the Russian Korolev were just as advanced in the state of the art as their German opposite numbers. The fairest comment is that missile technologies were developed independently in several places at once. As to ICBMs, its obvious from their napkinwaffe that the Germans didn\'t have a clue as to what was involved in their construction. Their \'proposals\' were utterly unworkable. There were whole clutches of problems that they simply didn\'t know existed (as there were with swept wings by the way).
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Your statement that the Hs294, Fi-103 and A-4 were the basis of all guided missile and ICBM delivery systems is quite wrong and it is this kind of sweeping mis-statement that I\\\'m trying to correct. FYI the U.S. had equivalent anti-ship guided missiles from 1944 onwards (so did the Japanese by the way) and was actually somewhat in advance of the German techniques that relied on easily-jammed links. Also, the U.S. mass-produced a cruise missile before the Second World War.
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Your comment on Gustav/Dora and Maus are absolutely correct; they were straight megalomania.
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I suggest you look up the Kettering Bug. It was a small pilotless aircraft that was launched, flew along a preset bearing until a given range was reached at which point the guidance system cut the fuel supply to the engine. The Kettering bug would then fall on its target. In other words, it worked exactly the same way as the Fi-103. Only, the Kettering Bug was built (in large numbers by the way) in 1917. If you want to claim that the Fi-103 was the root of all cruise missiles I can with equal force claim that it was only a copy of the Kettering Bug. The reason why the basic idea was never followed up by the British and Americans was why should we bother with a pilotless aircraft to deliver high explosive to a target when we had vast fleets of manned bombers that could do so much more efficiently and accurately? By the way, the Russians also had a very V-1-like missile that looked like but was developed independently of the Fi-103.
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As to the A-4, there were U.S. teams working on similar programs; in fact there were seven U.S. rocket design teams. The American scientist Goddard and the Russian Korolev were just as advanced in the state of the art as their German opposite numbers. The fairest comment is that missile technologies were developed independently in several places at once but only the Germans wasted money on making it operational when they had far mroe pressing priorities. As to ICBMs, its obvious from their napkinwaffe that the Germans didn\\\'t have a clue as to what was involved in their construction. Their \\\'proposals\\\' were utterly unworkable. There were whole clutches of problems that they simply didn\\\'t know existed (as there were with swept wings by the way).

Your comment on Gustav/Dora and Maus are absolutely correct; they were straight megalomania.
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Your statement that the Hs294, Fi-103 and A-4 were the basis of all guided missile and ICBM delivery systems is questionable. FYI the U.S. had equivalent anti-ship guided missiles from 1944 onwards (so did the Japanese by the way) and was actually somewhat in advance of the German techniques that relied on easily-jammed links. Also, the U.S. mass-produced a cruise missile before the Second World War. I suggest you look up the Kettering Bug. The Russians also had a very V-1-like missile, the Kh-10 that looked like but was developed independently of the Fi-103. As to the A-4, there were U.S. teams working on similar programs; in fact there were seven U.S. rocket design teams. The American scientist Goddard and the Russian Korolev were just as advanced in the state of the art as their German opposite numbers. The fairest comment is that missile technologies were developed independently in several places at once. As to ICBMs, its obvious from their napkinwaffe that the Germans didn\'t have a clue as to what was involved in their construction. Their \'proposals\' were utterly unworkable. There were whole clutches of problems that they simply didn\'t know existed (as there were with swept wings by the way).
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Your statement that the Hs294, Fi-103 and A-4 were the basis of all guided missile and ICBM delivery systems is quite wrong and it is this kind of sweeping mis-statement that I\\\'m trying to correct. FYI the U.S. had equivalent anti-ship guided missiles from 1944 onwards (so did the Japanese by the way) and was actually somewhat in advance of the German techniques that relied on easily-jammed links. Also, the U.S. mass-produced a cruise missile before the Second World War. I suggest you look up the Kettering Bug. The Russians also had a very V-1-like missile, the Kh-10 that looked like but was developed independently of the Fi-103. As to the A-4, there were U.S. teams working on similar programs; in fact there were seven U.S. rocket design teams. The American scientist Goddard and the Russian Korolev were just as advanced in the state of the art as their German opposite numbers. The fairest comment is that missile technologies were developed independently in several places at once. As to ICBMs, its obvious from their napkinwaffe that the Germans didn\\\'t have a clue as to what was involved in their construction. Their \\\'proposals\\\' were utterly unworkable. There were whole clutches of problems that they simply didn\\\'t know existed (as there were with swept wings by the way).
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The point about the Hs-294 was that the claim that modern anti-ship missiles didn\'t have the capability listed is factually inaccurate. The Russians had a very similar missile called the RAT-52 and the U.S. Navy one called Petrel. The attack profile in question proved to be useless; it was much more effective simply to fly the missile into the taregt. Dropping it in the water and running it as a torpedo drastcially reduced hit probabilities and the technique was abandoned.
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The point about the Hs-294 was that the claim that modern anti-ship missiles didn\\\'t have the capability listed is factually inaccurate. The Russians had a very similar missile called the RAT-52 and the U.S. Navy one called Petrel. The attack profile in question proved to be useless; it was much more effective simply to fly the missile into the target. Dropping it in the water and running it as a torpedo drastcially reduced hit probabilities and the technique was abandoned.
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Your statement that the Hs294, Fi-103 and A-4 were the basis of all guided missile and ICBM delivery systems is utterly wrong. FYI the U.S. had equivalent anti-ship guided missiles from 1944 onwards and was actually somehwta in advance of the German techniques that relied on easily-jammed links. Also, the U.S. mass-produced a cruise missile before the Second World War. I suggest you look up the Kettering Bug. The Russians also had a very V-1-like missile, the Kh-10 that looked like but was developed independently of the Fi-103. As to the A-4, there were U.S. teams working on similar programs; in fact there were seven U.S. rocket design teams. The American scientist Goddard and the Russian Korolev were just as advanced in the state of the art as their German opposite numbers. The missile technologies were developed independently. As to ICBMs, its obvious from their napkinwaffe that the Germans didn\'t have a clue as to what was involved in their construction. Their \'proposals\' were utterly unworkable.
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Your statement that the Hs294, Fi-103 and A-4 were the basis of all guided missile and ICBM delivery systems is questionable. FYI the U.S. had equivalent anti-ship guided missiles from 1944 onwards (so did the Japanese by the way) and was actually somewhat in advance of the German techniques that relied on easily-jammed links. Also, the U.S. mass-produced a cruise missile before the Second World War. I suggest you look up the Kettering Bug. The Russians also had a very V-1-like missile, the Kh-10 that looked like but was developed independently of the Fi-103. As to the A-4, there were U.S. teams working on similar programs; in fact there were seven U.S. rocket design teams. The American scientist Goddard and the Russian Korolev were just as advanced in the state of the art as their German opposite numbers. The fairest comment is that missile technologies were developed independently in several places at once. As to ICBMs, its obvious from their napkinwaffe that the Germans didn\\\'t have a clue as to what was involved in their construction. Their \\\'proposals\\\' were utterly unworkable. There were whole clutches of problems that they simply didn\\\'t know existed (as there were with swept wings by the way).
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Your comment on Gustav/Dora and Maus are absolutely correct; they were straight megalomania. The Hs293/294 were useless simply because they could be jammed so easily. Fi-103 was actually an effective terror weapon but, as Russian and American efforts showed, nothing very special. The A-4 was the first effective ballistic missile although it was a very poor return on the investment (a rocket that could miss London at 200 miles range had accuracy problems). This article gives both the Fi-103 and the A-4 their props. It just removes some of the mythology from around them.
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Your comment on Gustav/Dora and Maus are absolutely correct; they were straight megalomania.

The Hs293/294 were useless simply because they could be jammed so easily. Fi-103 was actually an effective terror weapon but, as Russian and American efforts showed, nothing very special. The A-4 was the first effective ballistic missile although it was a very poor return on the investment (a rocket that could miss London at 200 miles range had accuracy problems). This article gives both the Fi-103 and the A-4 their props. It just removes some of the mythology from around them. yes, they worked, yes, they fulfilled a role. But, the investment in them was completely misplaced. Ask a simple question, if they hadn\\\'t existed at all, would the course of WW2 have been changed in the slightest?
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