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25th Feb '17 12:20:44 AM Kooshmeister
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* In ''Film/WhereEaglesDare'' (adapted from Creator/AlistairMacLean's novel), Nazi General Rosemeyer arrives at the castle in a helicopter. While the Germans did have rotary-wing aircraft in World War II, it's still a bit of an incongruity (and isn't even a proper craft for the time period, being a postwar American Bell HTL-4). The movie handles the copter a little better than the book did, though. In the book, everyone knew what it was and treated it as nothing out of the ordinary; in the movie, there's a few nods to its being something a novelty (such as Rosemeyer calling it "my machine" and Kramer commenting that it looks dangerous).


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* The Nazi helicopter used by General Rosemeyer in Creator/AlistairMacLean's ''Literature/WhereEaglesDare'', although, as explained above, it isn't ''too'' out of the question, but still pretty incongruous, and it appears without explanation with everyone already knowing what it is.
25th Feb '17 12:12:00 AM Kooshmeister
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* In the [[NaziZombies Nazi Zombie]] {{Mockbuster}} ''Nazis At the Center of the Earth'' (made to cash in on ''Film/IronSky''), Hitler's severed head is preserved in a glass case atop a huge robotic body not unlike the mech suit he has in ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D''. The Nazis in the movie even have a giant flying saucer!
20th Feb '17 7:18:24 AM 4444jdm
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* The pre-war streamline racing cars like [[CoolCar Auto Union Streamliners and Mercedes-Benz Rekordwagens]][[note]]"Record cars" in German.[[/note]] love this trope too, back when aerodynamics technology were primitive. [[PimpedOutCar Being built on modified Grand Prix racing cars]], [[SuperPrototype these cars boast impressive performance and aerodynamics]], and sports [[{{Zeerust}} spaceship-style design that wouldn't be seen for next decades]]. These cars are used to beat the speed records under [[GovernmentConspiracy Nazi propaganda purposes]]. [[AwesomeButImpractical However, since they are land speed record cars, they are too terrible to drive and due to their bodyshells enclosed the wheels entirely, their handling are terrible too.]] [[spoiler:There's one case where Bernd Rosemeyer piloted an Auto Union streamliner, attempting to break the speed records, and [[HeroicSacrifice got himself killed]].]]

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* The pre-war streamline racing cars like [[CoolCar Auto Union Streamliners and Mercedes-Benz Rekordwagens]][[note]]"Record cars" in German.[[/note]] love this trope too, back when aerodynamics technology were primitive. [[PimpedOutCar Being built on modified Grand Prix racing cars]], [[SuperPrototype these cars boast impressive performance and aerodynamics]], and sports [[{{Zeerust}} spaceship-style design that wouldn't be seen for next decades]]. These cars are used to beat the speed records under [[GovernmentConspiracy Nazi propaganda purposes]]. [[AwesomeButImpractical However, since they are land speed record cars, they are too terrible to drive and due to with design philosophies of extreme streamlining for their bodyshells enclosed the wheels entirely, their handling are terrible too.this had a crippling flaw in a total lack of downforce, which makes it impossible to control in any way that isn't going real straight.]] [[spoiler:There's one case where Bernd Rosemeyer piloted an Auto Union streamliner, attempting to break the speed records, and [[HeroicSacrifice got himself killed]].]]
20th Feb '17 2:37:23 AM Alceister
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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/TheBigOne'', which takes place in 1947 when Allied technology, esepcially in aircraft, has moved decisively ahead of that available to the Germans. This is actually a factual representation of the real development trends, which show that by 1945, Allied jet engines (for example) were already more powerful and more reliable than their German equivalents. And, of course, the Allies have atomic bombs. Lots of them.

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* Deconstructed in ''Literature/TheBigOne'', which takes place in 1947 when Allied technology, esepcially especially in aircraft, has moved decisively ahead of that available to the Germans. This is actually a factual representation of the real development trends, which show that by 1945, Allied jet engines (for example) were already more powerful and more reliable than their German equivalents. And, of course, the Allies have atomic bombs. Lots of them.
20th Feb '17 2:36:11 AM Alceister
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* Australian sci-fi author Sean [=McMullen=] inverts this trope in his short story ''The Devils of Langenhagen''. In the last days of the Third Reich an Me262 interceptor squadron is visited by some strange and elegant guests -- a couple of high-ranking pilots (and their wives) flying [[SchizoTech very advanced]] aircraft (a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229 Horten 229]] and a Japanese [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W Shinden canard]] fighter). It turns out that they're time-travellers on an [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame adventure tour]].

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* Australian sci-fi author Sean [=McMullen=] inverts this trope in his short story ''The Devils of Langenhagen''. In the last days of the Third Reich an Me262 Me 262 interceptor squadron is visited by some strange and elegant guests -- a couple of high-ranking pilots (and their wives) flying [[SchizoTech very advanced]] aircraft (a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229 Horten 229]] and a Japanese [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyushu_J7W Shinden canard]] fighter). It turns out that they're time-travellers on an [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame adventure tour]].



* John Barnes' ''Patton's Spaceship'' had would-be conquerors from another timeline give the Nazis of 1932 copies of Nazi technology and plans from 1944-45. So the Nazis in that world ''started'' UsefulNotes/WorldWarII with the Me-262, as well as a Focke-Wulf fighter that totally outclassed the Spitfire, big heavy bombers, submarines that could communicate and coordinate with each other ''while submerged'' -- and ''television-guided'' V-1s. They also did much better planning for their invasions of France, Scandinavia, and Russia, and they were ''probably'' behind the assassination of [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt FDR]] in 1937.

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* John Barnes' ''Patton's Spaceship'' had would-be conquerors from another timeline give the Nazis of 1932 copies of Nazi technology and plans from 1944-45. So the Nazis in that world ''started'' UsefulNotes/WorldWarII with the Me-262, Me 262, as well as a Focke-Wulf fighter that totally outclassed the Spitfire, big heavy bombers, submarines that could communicate and coordinate with each other ''while submerged'' -- and ''television-guided'' V-1s. They also did much better planning for their invasions of France, Scandinavia, and Russia, and they were ''probably'' behind the assassination of [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt FDR]] in 1937.



** The Meteor fighter. Early versions were not as good as the Me262, but later marks completely outperformed the German aircraft. It is still flying today because its simple centrifugal compression engine, while less streamlined, is at least much more resiliently built, more stable at handling large internal forces (unlike the Me-262 which is nearly-impossible to maneuver and often flamed out or blew up), and better at handling foreign object debris than more modern axial compression engines (which require lots of super-strong alloys made with expensive rare-earth metals such as titanium in order to be functional). The F35's ejector seat was tested out on this.

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** The Meteor fighter. Early versions were not as good as the Me262, Me 262, but later marks completely outperformed the German aircraft. It is still flying today because its simple centrifugal compression engine, while less streamlined, is at least much more resiliently built, more stable at handling large internal forces (unlike the Me-262 Me 262 which is nearly-impossible to maneuver and often flamed out or blew up), and better at handling foreign object debris than more modern axial compression engines (which require lots of super-strong alloys made with expensive rare-earth metals such as titanium in order to be functional). The F35's ejector seat was tested out on this.



** Similarly, the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star, which could fly faster and farther than the Me-262, with a loaded weight of around 2,000 pounds less. For context, the Americans didn't even know they had a German jet to design a rival for until less than a year before the XP-80 left the ground. A handful were sent to Europe to demonstrate their capabilities, but the type would not see combat until UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar. The entire fighter was designed around a cutting edge British turbojet engine which was so new that the Americans had to design and build the airframe without an example of the engine on hand.

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** Similarly, the Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star, which could fly faster and farther than the Me-262, Me 262, with a loaded weight of around 2,000 pounds less. For context, the Americans didn't even know they had a German jet to design a rival for until less than a year before the XP-80 left the ground. A handful were sent to Europe to demonstrate their capabilities, but the type would not see combat until UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar. The entire fighter was designed around a cutting edge British turbojet engine which was so new that the Americans had to design and build the airframe without an example of the engine on hand.
20th Feb '17 2:12:37 AM Alceister
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** The Messerschmitt Me 262, which was barely edged out of being the first operational jet fighter of the war by the Gloster Meteor. Thanks to its highly aerodynamic design and jet engine propulsion, it was one of the fastest fighters of its time, and also one of the most heavily armed as well. However, problems during development combined with Germany's declining strategic situation meant that its introduction was delayed until well after D-Day. Those that were produced were often grounded due to lack of fuel or spare parts. Material shortage were readily apparent in the design of its Jumo 004 engines, which were prone to foreign object damage and flame-outs. It also came at a time when the Allies had established air superiority over much of Europe, when its lack of manoeuvrability was a liability against Allied fighters.
** The Messerschmitt Me 163 ''Komet'' was the world's first rocket-powered combat aircraft (and to date, the only to ever come into service). Designed as a semi-disposable interceptor, it was blindingly fast, which made it virtually impossible for bomber turret gunners and aircraft escorts to bring it down. However, [[GoneHorriblyRight the sheer speed of the Komet made it virtually uncontrollable, making it very difficult for its pilots to actually aim at anything]]. This was not helped by the fact that the plane had limited flight endurance: it could remain airborne for no more than 8 minutes, after which it became a glider. The bi-fuel propellant used for the rocket engine was not only highly volatile (spontaneously igniting when mixed), but also very corrosive: it could literally ''melt flesh off of the bone'', and it did not help that fuel tanks were located around the cockpit. Understandably, the Komet more often ended up killing its own pilots than those of the enemy.

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** The Messerschmitt Me 262, which was barely edged out of being the first operational jet fighter of the war by the Gloster Meteor. Thanks to its highly aerodynamic design and jet engine propulsion, it was one of the fastest fighters of its time, and also one of the most heavily armed as well. However, problems during development combined with Germany's declining strategic situation meant that its introduction was delayed until well after D-Day. Those that were produced were often grounded due to lack of fuel or spare parts. Material shortage These shortages were readily apparent in the design of its Jumo 004 engines, which were prone to foreign object damage and flame-outs.flame-outs as a result of being constructed with poor-quality materials. It also came at a time when the Allies had established air superiority over much of Europe, when its lack of manoeuvrability was a liability against Allied fighters.
** The Messerschmitt Me 163 ''Komet'' was the world's first rocket-powered combat aircraft (and to date, the only to ever come into service). Designed as a semi-disposable interceptor, it was blindingly fast, which made it virtually impossible for bomber turret gunners and aircraft escorts to bring it down. However, [[GoneHorriblyRight the sheer speed of the Komet made it virtually uncontrollable, making it very difficult for its pilots to actually aim at anything]]. This was not helped by the fact that the plane had limited flight endurance: it could remain airborne for no more than 8 minutes, after which it became a glider. The bi-fuel propellant used for the rocket engine was not only highly volatile (spontaneously igniting when mixed), but also very corrosive: it one half of the propellant could burn through steel (necessitating storage in ''glass'' tanks located around the cockpit), while the other half could literally ''melt flesh off of the bone'', and it did not help that fuel tanks were located around the cockpit.bone''. Understandably, the Komet more often ended up killing its own pilots than those of the enemy.
19th Feb '17 10:43:28 PM Alceister
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* The Allies had several advanced weapons projects of their own; many of these never came to fruition. Allied military planners focused on relatively [[BoringButPractical conventional weapons]] systems because introducing radically new weapons would have required a lengthy development period to work out the kinks, disrupt production and supply chains, and would have little impact on a strategic level. A strong argument could be made that it was the Allies who had the technological advantages that counted and because of their superior organizational abilities, were able to make fuller use of them. Radar for example, was roughly equivalent for both Britain and Germany throughout the war, but the British incorporated theirs into an extensive and well-coordinated air defence network, which the Germans did not do until much later. Moreover, unlike the Germans, Italians, and Japanese, Allied weapons development involved extensive cooperation between member nations: until it was equipped with a British-designed engine, the American P-51 Mustang was a low-altitude fighter that could not escort bombers, let alone travel all the way into Germany and back.

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* The Allies had several advanced weapons projects of their own; many of these never came to fruition. Allied military planners focused on relatively [[BoringButPractical conventional weapons]] systems because introducing radically new weapons would have required a lengthy development period to work out the kinks, disrupt production and supply chains, and would have little impact on a strategic level. A strong argument could be made that it was the Allies who had the technological advantages that counted and because of their superior organizational abilities, were able to make fuller use of them. Radar for example, was roughly equivalent for both Britain and Germany throughout the war, but the British incorporated theirs into an extensive and well-coordinated air defence network, which the Germans did not do until much later. Moreover, unlike the Germans, Italians, and Japanese, Allied weapons development involved extensive cooperation between member nations: until it was equipped with a British-designed engine, the nations; American planes like the P-51 Mustang was a low-altitude fighter that could not escort bombers, let alone travel all the way into Germany and back.were sometimes re-engined with British ones, with great effect.
9th Feb '17 5:57:57 PM Onlythrice
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* This is the entire marketing campaign for ''VideoGame/WarFrontTurningPoint''. The three factions, Allies, Nazis and Soviets, each have their different superweapons. The Allies get the short end of the stick with a massive shield generator, the Soviets, in a nod to ''RedAlert'', have freeze rays and atomic freeze bombs, and the Nazis get the best deal with three radically different superweapons: jetpacks, monstrous jet-powered zeppelins, and robotic exoskeletons.

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* This is the entire marketing campaign for ''VideoGame/WarFrontTurningPoint''. The three factions, Allies, Nazis and Soviets, each have their different superweapons. The Allies get the short end of the stick with a massive shield generator, the Soviets, in a nod to ''RedAlert'', ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlert'', have freeze rays and atomic freeze bombs, and the Nazis get the best deal with three radically different superweapons: jetpacks, monstrous jet-powered zeppelins, and robotic exoskeletons.
8th Feb '17 7:05:49 PM Rmpdc
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** What's interesting though is that this is actually a downplayed example, in that the soldiers in question are still wearing appropriate uniforms and equipment for the time, and are heavily implied to be wearing flak jackets underneath their uniforms.
** The rest of the game actually averts this trope. The German troops all use standard-issue weapons for the time period.
30th Jan '17 5:45:57 AM Arivne
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* In the film {{WesternAnimation/Nine}}, the Chancellor gets his hands on a neutral sentient robot that can build other robots, takes it away from it's creator, and works it way past the point that a human would collapse and die. The Fabrication Machine builds an army to rebel against the humans that used it, and all of humanity is wiped out [[spoiler:except for the stitchpunk dolls the scientist made]].

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* In the film {{WesternAnimation/Nine}}, the Chancellor gets his hands on a neutral sentient robot that can build other robots, takes it away from it's its creator, and works it way past the point that a human would collapse and die. The Fabrication Machine builds an army to rebel against the humans that used it, and all of humanity is wiped out [[spoiler:except for the stitchpunk dolls the scientist made]].
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