Discussion History VideoGame / Persona4

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to - possibly - ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. Hovering under the radar is just like them. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work, so the audience\\\'s \\\'\\\'reaction\\\'\\\' is intentionally provoked by the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

For now, I put it under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to - possibly - ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work, so the audience\\\'s \\\'\\\'reaction\\\'\\\' is intentionally provoked by the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

For now, I put it under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work, so the audience\\\'s \\\'\\\'reaction\\\'\\\' is intentionally provoked by the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

For now, I put it under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work, so the audience\\\'s reaction is intentionally provoked by the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

For now, I put it under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work, so the audience\\\'s reaction is \\\'\\\'intentionally provoked\\\'\\\' by the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

For now, I put it under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

For now, I put it under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

I put it in under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. So to me, the trope is in the work because the \\\'\\\'test of the audience\\\'\\\' is in the work. It makes good sense to me that they would make an event where you really have to figure it out on your own, while the main story can always be solved with a guide.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

I put it in under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. It makes good sense to me that they would make an event where you really have to figure it out on your own, while the main story can always be solved with a guide.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

I put it in under YMMV as CaitsMeow not-so-nicely suggested.

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. It makes good sense to me that they would make an event where you really have to figure it out on your own, while the main story can always be solved with a guide.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?

Okay, first, again. It\\\'s not a rant. It really isn\\\'t. I don\\\'t have any \\\"harsh feelings\\\" or anything like that, so please stop calling it a rant. You\\\'re putting words in my mouth, and I don\\\'t like that. I\\\'ve just been placing it because I think it\\\'s information to share.

And I don\\\'t really believe ccoa was trying to talk it out or anything. If I put a trope under the wrong heading, you don\\\'t delete it. You change the heading to the right trope. Ccoa\\\'s edits seemed more like grabbing one excuse after the other to delete the entry with. It\\\'s not friendly. It\\\'s not communicative. It\\\'s just a game of ccoa making a judgment and me having to cater to possibly ever-changing whims designed to make me give up. I\\\'m sorry. Try to understand it from my perspective.

I understand RuleOfFunny, but I think when you have material like Yukiko not even remembering what happened last night, that\\\'s more than RuleOfFunny. That\\\'s a sign she really was drunk last night. That, and the details I mention in the entry, might not be enough to come to the conclusions I did - maybe I really am just reading into things too deeply. But to me the context of the game is important: it\\\'s a detective-themed game - it \\\'\\\'wants\\\'\\\' you to analyze events and draw the conclusions. It \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to mislead you. And it has stuff like Adachi being the real villain without any real setup - you\\\'re just meant to deduce that by process of elimination - and the only hints about Izanami are in the interface, the school trip story, and you realizing there are still some unanswered questions to investigate. With this context, I do think they\\\'re secretly testing the player with the funny scene. It makes good sense to me that they would make an event where you really have to figure it out on your own, while the main story can always be solved with a guide.

I\\\'m sorry, what do you think is wrong with my logic? Saying \\\"you\\\'re reading into it too much\\\" is easy, but look at the specific points, and why else would they be there?