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22nd Aug '16 9:43:30 AM Lullaby22
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* RealityEnsues: Naoto's status as a TeenGenius and KidDetective sometimes runs into this. No matter how smart you are or how good you are at solving crimes, it doesn't guarantee that the police will want your help, particularly when you've been acting like an InsufferableGenius and challenging the authority of the people who hired you.
19th Aug '16 4:30:28 PM KINGBARBIE52
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**Another for Yosuke: before entering [[spoiler:Marie's bonus dungeon]] on 2/13, you can choose to lament that there wasn't a chance to fully explain everything beforehand. Yosuke says that if you had, the "question mark above [his] head could be seen from orbit." This being a game where "?"s and other punctuation marks indeed appear over characters' heads.
12th Aug '16 11:16:08 AM matteste
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* HardWorkFallacy: Called out on by [[spoiler:Adachi during his speech before his boss fight]] with how you wouldn't get anywhere in society if you didn't have talent.
10th Aug '16 1:05:45 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** "[[ShutUpHannibal You're]] [[OneWingedAngel NOT]] [[BerserkButton me!]]"

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** "[[ShutUpHannibal You're]] [[OneWingedAngel NOT]] [[BerserkButton You're NOT me!]]"



** The BigBad also tries to give you one at the end of his dungeon. [[ShutUpHannibal Naoto, Yukiko, and Yosuke turn it back on him.]]

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** The BigBad also tries to give you one at the end of his dungeon. [[ShutUpHannibal [[KirkSummation Naoto, Yukiko, and Yosuke turn it back on him.]]



* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Every Arch-Shadow gives one of these, overlaps with a HannibalLecture.

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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Every Arch-Shadow gives one of these, overlaps with a HannibalLecture.BreakingSpeech.
4th Aug '16 5:48:03 PM Forrest11903
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* UncommonTime: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHIQdXyNxwY Reasoning,]] the theme that plays during investigative scenes, is in the unusual 7/4 time signature.
4th Aug '16 2:30:44 PM TylerL320
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* CentralTheme:
** The primary theme of the game is the general idea of "truth", which manifests itself in various ways. The Investigation Team wishes to find the truth behind the murders in Inaba, and there are several points where they have to see through falsehoods to find the real Killer. The party's Shadows show the truths about a person they don't want to admit to themselves - only after accepting the truth does the Shadow calm down. In contrast, convenient lies are repeatedly frowned upon: the fog serves as a visual metaphor for humanity's lies, clouding the truth so people can live in blissful ignorance.
** Inaba itself, and the way it connects to the group, serves as a secondary theme. As a small, rural town, Inaba has a very homey atmosphere, and the idea of making friends and memories is subtly encouraged with various landmarks the player will grow accustomed to throughout the game. The second credits theme of ''The Animation'', "The Way of Memories", takes note of this. Other characters relate to Inaba in various ways - Yosuke hates the town, missing his old home in the big city, while Yukiko's family has major stakes in it from running the local inn for generations. Compared to Tatsumi Port Island of ''Persona 3'', which was mostly incidental, Inaba as a location has a much larger focus, and it could almost be considered a character in itself.
3rd Aug '16 2:11:30 PM KingZeal
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* BrokenAesop:
** Yosuke, Naoki, and Hisano's Social Links involve them learning to come to terms with the death of a loved one. Those Aesops end up getting derailed when [[spoiler: Nanako comes BackFromTheDead]], preventing Yu from learning that lesson himself.
** Naoto crossdressing is treated very maturely and sympathetically throughout the story. However, during the School Festival, the boys are forcefully signed into a crossdressing pageant, and it's entirely PlayedForLaughs.
** Despite the CentralTheme about [[ArcWords "reaching out for the truth"]] and never ignoring an AwfulTruth, no matter how difficult or painful, everything about Inaba that might classify as "a complaint against society" [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong remains unquestioned and unchallenged.]] Japanese society, overall, tends to favor the group over the individual. For example, Yukiko dislikes being forced to inherit her family's inn: turns out, [[spoiler:what she ''really'' was worried about was having to do it all alone. The issue of not being able to choose her own job is thus not really addressed at all.]] Rise dislikes being seen as a media lust object but it turns out [[spoiler:she secretly enjoys being in the spotlight. Her objectification is written off as something she can just deal with by accepting the constructed lust object as "herself".]] Yumi has a complaint about her father selfishly abandoning his wife and child. [[spoiler:Her father ends up dying in the hospital, so Yumi decides to live up to her name and "bear fruit" by dropping out of the drama club; the narrative avoids assessing her father's behavior at all by casting Yumi's misgivings as selfish.]] And lastly, Adachi has a lot of complaints about how impossible it is to be rewarded for your hard work in the current job system if you aren't talented. Whether or not these complaints are accurate is never really addressed, because [[spoiler:Adachi is a psychotic serial killer who just uses this as justification to act ForTheEvulz. Thus, his complaints about society, even if they're valid, come out of a psychotic man-child's mouth.]]
3rd Aug '16 1:57:48 PM tiny260
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3rd Aug '16 11:48:10 AM KINGBARBIE52
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* BrokenAesop:
** Yosuke, Naoki, and Hisano's Social Links involve them learning to come to terms with the death of a loved one. Those Aesops end up getting derailed when [[spoiler: Nanako comes BackFromTheDead]], preventing Yu from learning that lesson himself.
** Naoto crossdressing is treated very maturely and sympathetically throughout the story. However, during the School Festival, the boys are forcefully signed into a crossdressing pageant, and it's entirely PlayedForLaughs.
** Despite the CentralTheme about [[ArcWords "reaching out for the truth"]] and never ignoring an AwfulTruth, no matter how difficult or painful, everything about Inaba that might classify as "a complaint against society" [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong remains unquestioned and unchallenged.]] Japanese society, overall, tends to favor the group over the individual. For example, Yukiko dislikes being forced to inherit her family's inn: turns out, [[spoiler:what she ''really'' was worried about was having to do it all alone. The issue of not being able to choose her own job is thus not really addressed at all.]] Rise dislikes being seen as a media lust object but it turns out [[spoiler:she secretly enjoys being in the spotlight. Her objectification is written off as something she can just deal with by accepting the constructed lust object as "herself".]] Yumi has a complaint about her father selfishly abandoning his wife and child. [[spoiler:Her father ends up dying in the hospital, so Yumi decides to live up to her name and "bear fruit" by dropping out of the drama club; the narrative avoids assessing her father's behavior at all by casting Yumi's misgivings as selfish.]] And lastly, Adachi has a lot of complaints about how impossible it is to be rewarded for your hard work in the current job system if you aren't talented. Whether or not these complaints are accurate is never really addressed, because [[spoiler:Adachi is a psychotic serial killer who just uses this as justification to act ForTheEvulz. Thus, his complaints about society, even if they're valid, come out of a psychotic man-child's mouth.]]



** In almost all endings other than the Good/True endings, you'll be asked whether you think you made the right choices--the game is not-so-subtly hinting that you did not.

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** In almost all endings other than the Good/True endings, you'll be asked Dojima asks you whether you think you made the right choices--the game is not-so-subtly hinting that you did not.
2nd Aug '16 9:50:43 PM Valiona
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* FridgeLogic: InUniverse example with a movie - Yukiko mentions how they never explain why the power to curse people to death ended up on cell phones. She doesn't seem to be too bothered by it, though.

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* FridgeLogic: InUniverse example with a movie - Yukiko mentions how they never explain why the power to curse people to death ended up on cell phones. She doesn't seem to be too bothered by it, though.though, and even thinks that leaving some things unanswered is for the best.



* FunnyAfro: The MC at the Culture Festival, and a nameless third-year who gives you riddles.



* GoodIsNotNice: There are a variety of possibilities for the MC to be a dick to his social links, although doing so is not recommended. [[ThatOneSidequest Usually]].[[labelnote:Hint]]Refuse to buy Ai a drink[[/labelnote]]

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* GoodIsNotNice: There are a variety of possibilities for the MC to be a dick to his social links, although doing so is not recommended. [[ThatOneSidequest Usually]].[[labelnote:Hint]]Refuse to [[labelnote:Hint]]Insist that Ai buy Ai a drink[[/labelnote]]her own drink, and she'll be impressed by your having the nerve to do so.[[/labelnote]]



** Yosuke dips into this category occasionally throughout the game, especially during [[spoiler:the confrontation with Namatame]], but for the most part he can more accurately described as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Really, it comes with being a teenager. A good example is his reaction to just how bad the curry is on the school camping trip.

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** Yosuke dips into this category occasionally throughout the game, especially during [[spoiler:the confrontation with Namatame]], but for the most part he can more accurately described as a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Really, it comes with being a teenager. A good example is his reaction to just how bad the curry is on the school camping trip.trip, and that he never lets Chie or Yukiko forget it.



** In one of Eri's Social Link events, she says "We're just little robots following the program our creator made for us. So, whenever anything happens, there's nothing you can do about it... It was already decided for you." In context, she's talking about how fate is defined, but it seems a very apt line for an NPC in a game to say.

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** In one of Eri's Social Link events, she says "We're just little robots following the program our creator made for us. So, whenever anything happens, there's nothing you can do about it... It was already decided for you." In context, she's talking about how fate is defined, defined (and making excuses for not doing anything despite not being happy with her present situation), but it seems a very apt line for an NPC in a game to say.



*** Golden also takes Yukiko's case UpToEleven in the Valentine's Day event, where she reveals that she wanted to try using ''Octopus Ink'' to give an extra flavor to the chocolate. The reason? [[InsaneTrollLogic Because they are the same color.]]

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*** Golden also takes Yukiko's case UpToEleven in the Valentine's Day event, where she reveals that she wanted to try using ''Octopus Ink'' to give an extra flavor to the chocolate. The reason? [[InsaneTrollLogic Because they are the same color.]]]] Thankfully, the chefs at her inn did most of the work, and make very good chocolate.



** One third-year who gives you various riddle-related sidequests, insists that he's not doing it to get out of studying for exams.
** In ''Golden'', when King Moron summons you to give you a jersey, he's with a girl who insists that she can get home by herself, and she wasn't going out to party.



* TakeThat: An easily missed side quest will net you a special book that you can read to increase your Diligence and Expression. It is described as "[[Literature/{{Twilight}} a ploddingly-written romantic comedy about a girl who moves to a new town. Vampires are involved]]." The game then describes it as painful to read, hence the increase in Diligence. [[http://media.photobucket.com/image/persona%204/buuminwonderland/Persona%203%20y%204/Persona_4___Twilight_by_UltimaWeapo.jpg?o=358 Here's a screenshot of the event.]]

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* TakeThat: An easily missed side quest If you agree to hang out with Daisuke and Kou on one occasion, it will net you a special book that you can read to increase your Diligence and Expression. It is described as "[[Literature/{{Twilight}} a ploddingly-written romantic comedy about a girl who moves to a new town. Vampires are involved]]." The game then describes it as painful to read, hence the increase in Diligence. [[http://media.photobucket.com/image/persona%204/buuminwonderland/Persona%203%20y%204/Persona_4___Twilight_by_UltimaWeapo.jpg?o=358 Here's a screenshot of the event.]]



** Shadow Yukiko is a very early-game boss, and has a wicked habit of tripping players up. No weakness, and summons a very annoying minion who will heal the boss if it's not dizzied or killed off. The boss itself, once it's down to low health, TurnsRed and begins to spam an attack-all fire spell that is quite painful, topping it off on the fact that one of your party members is weak to fire if she doesn't guard, and she can't be removed from the battle team (but has the element the minion is weak against). Even in Golden, where Shadow Yukiko gets the ice weakness, this boss still qualifies because of her and her minion's ability to cast White Wall, which raises their ice resistances.

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** Shadow Yukiko is a very early-game boss, and has a wicked habit of tripping players up. No weakness, and summons a very annoying minion who will heal the boss if it's not dizzied or killed off. The boss itself, once it's down to low health, TurnsRed and begins to spam an attack-all fire spell that is quite painful, topping it off on the fact that one of your party members is weak to fire if she doesn't guard, and she can't be removed from the battle team (but has the element the minion is weak against). Even in Golden, where Shadow Yukiko gets the ice weakness, this boss still qualifies because of her and her minion's ability to cast White Wall, which raises their makes them resistant to ice resistances.for three rounds, and there's generally only a one-turn window of opportunity before they recast it.



** The Clear Skies Musha in the [[spoiler: Hollow Forest]] in ''Golden''. Scanning it will cause most players to panic, as it possesses not only Primal Force, but ''Hassou Tobi'', the Yoshitsune-unique physical move that hits 8 times. The Musha, though, only has a very tiny strength stat, and so can't do much even with those devastating moves.

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** The Clear Skies Musha in the [[spoiler: Hollow Forest]] in ''Golden''. Scanning it will cause most players to panic, as it possesses not only Primal Force, but ''Hassou Tobi'', the Yoshitsune-unique physical move that hits all enemies 8 times. The Musha, though, only has a very tiny strength stat, and so can't do much even with those devastating moves.


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** Some Social Links also have these. The Rank 3 event of Yumi's social link makes it evident that it's about her relationship with her previously estranged and now dying father.
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