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** Also, if you don\\\'t play on the hardest setting \\\"[[HarderThanHard Insanity]]\\\", then as a rule, you\\\'re no better than a {{scrub}}, because according to the BioWare forums, Insanity is apparently \\\"the difficulty the game was meant to be played on.\\\"
** Usually inverted on the popular Mass Effect threads on [[ImageBoard 4chan\\\'s]] [[VideoGames /v/]] board., though with [[NotSoDifferent similar responses.]] Kill the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Council?]] What are you doing!? Save the Collector base? You\\\'re gonna doom the galaxy! [[ShippingWars Romance]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Tali?]] Bad move! Kill off [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse and]] [[WarriorPoet Grunt]]? Get out right now.
* \\\'\\\'PennyArcade\\\'\\\' has the story of how Gabe [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/pokemon/ took the mickey out of]] a larval-stage SHFG. Also [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/awesome/ a follow-up post]] showing why if you are a parent of a young child, you should never, ever let him or her attend an officially sanctioned tournament.
** It also seems that the kids made him recognise the start of potentially similar traits:
-->It was actually really cool to see how much these kids love \\\'\\\'Pokemon\\\'\\\'. I\\\'ve been so into it recently that I think I\\\'d forgotten I should be having fun. With my pages of hand written math and charts of carefully plotted out EV training regiments I actually felt sort of dirty. These little kids were showing me teams comprised not of statistically optimal Pokemon but of their favorites.
* Go to the general board of any \\\'\\\'[[{{Pokemon}} Pokémon]]\\\'\\\' game in GameFaqs, and ask for advice on which moves you should teach to your freshly caught favourite. There will always be someone who will (a) tell you that this pokémon is not suited for competitive use, and point towards better pokémon who outdoes yours in every possible aspect, (b) variation of the first, suggesting an ineffective moveset because your pokémon does not deserve the good [=TMs=], or (c) copy-paste a Smogon moveset, even if it involves chainbreeding.
*** Smogon movesets in particular are rather useless for normal play - the average Smogon moveset requires not only chainbreeding, but also pulling the Pokemon up to 100, EV and IV training every stat from the bottom, and using one-use, hard-to-find items. Also notably, most tiers in the game are based on the rest of the {{metagame}}, and only one Gym Leader in any game (Roark\\\'s Geodude and Onix in D/P/P, which he puts aside for the rematch) uses [[GameBreaker Stealth Rock.]] At this point, they aren\\\'t even for cartridge play. A lot of them involve giving the pokemon in question a specific Hidden power type, which is impossible in the actual games. They\\\'re all really only meant for Shoddy Battle, Smogon\\\'s Gen IV battle sim. This in turn means that they totally ignore the idea that some players don\\\'t do competitive battles or like to keep things simple.
** It isn\\\'t just GameFaqs. Pretty much anywhere the \\\'\\\'{{Pokemon}}\\\'\\\' fandom hangs out you will find REALLY obnoxious {{Stop Having Fun Guys}}. There may be more than even [[SuperSmashBros Smash Bros.]] Wi-fi and {{YouTube}} videos are dominated by them, so much that you can\\\'t find a casual battle anywhere unless you play with friends. And the worst of all is Smogon. Whatever you do, don\\\'t go to Smogon if you\\\'re a casual player.
** In fact, pretty much the entire competitive \\\'\\\'Pokémon\\\'\\\' community is the epitome of this trope. If you’re one of the poor fools who \\\'\\\'dares\\\'\\\' to raise your Pokémon without [[strike:horribly and cruelly abusing/biologically mutating]] EV Training them, you are going to be called a {{Scrub}} and be publicly humiliated. And if you even think about \\\'\\\'thinking about\\\'\\\' mentioning that it’s actually a physical possibility to play the game without regard to the endless amounts of soulless numbers and statistics, prepare to be mercilessly flamed until absolutely nothing is left of you.
** Heck, just having the \\\"wrong\\\" \\\'\\\'moveset\\\'\\\' can cause the StopHavingFunGuys to look down upon you. And to put it further, having the wrong nature, stats, and whatnot is also frowned upon.
*** Speaking of \\\"correct\\\" teams and moves: one war story has the teller losing five widely-used competitive Pokemon before sweeping with one normally ranked in the second-lowest tier, to the complete surprise of both players. The hilarity is best appreciated in [[http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=437618 the original thread]] (complete with chat-log).
** Do \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' mention you use \\\"Uber\\\" Pokemon. At all. Even if you\\\'re just a casual player (IE: Not very competitive) the more hardcore gamers will accuse you of using nothing more than \\\"{{Game Breaker}}s\\\" or \\\"Relying too much on over-powered Pokemon to win battles\\\". Heck, just having an \\\"Uber\\\" on your team and not even \\\'\\\'using\\\'\\\' it counts.
** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words: Action Replay]]. Hardcore Pokemon gamers will frown upon those who use \\\"cheat codes\\\" to obtain certain Pokemon (Mainly Event Pokemon), even though it is technically legal to do so.
*** YourMileageMayVary on this - plenty of SeriousBusiness players are well aware Pokemon in-game isn\\\'t meant to be taken seriously, and are happy to let people mess around. [[WallBanger Scrubs playing with their favourite-but-mostly-useless Pokemon on a competitive simulator, however,]] tend to draw [[NerdRage unwanted attention]].
* You\\\'re not allowed to run from a battle in a [[{{JRPG}} JRPG]]. Ever. It doesn\\\'t matter whether the enemy\\\'s kicking your ass hard and it\\\'s been hours since you used a save point, you\\\'re in a real-life hurry to get to a save point, or the enemy is so weak that there\\\'s no point in fighting it for what little spoils you\\\'ll gain. If you run from battle, you are a complete [=RPG=] {{Scrub}}.
** God know how you\\\'re supposed to advance in \\\'\\\'{{Suikoden}} 2\\\'\\\' then: one of the character recruitments \\\'requires\\\' a certain amount of battle retreats. SHFG\\\'s tend not to be big on logic or exemptions.
* Apparently, you\\\'re supposed to enjoy LevelGrinding as well. If you don\\\'t, then you just don\\\'t know how to have fun in an RPG.
** Averted/Inverted somewhat in \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyVIII\\\'\\\'- Level grinding makes the game excessively harder, [[spoiler: the enemies scale with you.]]
*** And then played straight, as actually playing the game with the Experts of \\\'\\\'FFVIII\\\'\\\' will give you a very bizarre SolveTheSoupCans kind of logic in how to \\\"properly\\\" play the game. Said way tends to involve either playing Card Games or trying to Card Them All! Which actually is even LONGER and MORE complicated then normal Level Grinding.
* There is only one [[PlayerParty party]] setup worth using. Every other combination of characters is absolutely worthless. Unless you specify otherwise, everyone will always assume you\\\'re using that party.
** Very true in the \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyTactics\\\'\\\' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You\\\'re an idiot for using a \\\"garbage\\\" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the \\\"expert\\\" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.
* At the other extreme there\\\'s a set of {{Scrubs}} who will sneer at anyone who\\\'s crappy enough to \\\"need\\\" all the best stuff to win, in effect declaring [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] the only valid way to play. Apparently if you\\\'re not playing through the game as a level 1 solo JokeCharacter without equipment you suck and have no business playing it.
* On that note, do not mention Break HP Limit to any \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyX\\\'\\\'. Ever. Otherwise, be prepared for a paragraph of text on how stupid you are for even thinking of using it, and another paragraph on how you\\\'re SUPPOSED to be fighting \\\"Insert Bonus Boss Here\\\". Like the \\\'\\\'FFVIII\\\'\\\' example, it tends to be a SolveTheSoupCans! Logic that probably involves just as much work to find all the parts that you need. Figures.
* A perfect example of what happens when you mix this with FanDumb is shown [[http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=10983 here]]. Beware the [[{{Narm}} \\\"Tyranny of Fun\\\"]]!
* Do you want to have fun playing [[{{RPG}} RPGs]]? [[http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-hate-fun.html James Raggi]] considers you inferior. \\\"Inferior\\\" is perhaps too nice a word; \\\"the scum of the earth\\\" is a more accurate way of putting it. He even put up an followup to the article insulting anybody who was linked to it from this wiki.
* Try playing \\\'\\\'{{Fallout}} 3\\\'\\\' without using VATS much, or by actually playing as a good guy. Prepare to have people yelling your head off.
** Even if it\\\'s not a competitive game, don\\\'t you dare admit to using certain perks, like the ones that increase your experience gain or reveal all the map locations, because you\\\'re a {{noob}} who needs to level up faster to play the game to win.
*** Actually, don\\\'t even bother admitting to playing or liking \\\'\\\'Fallout 3\\\'\\\' even if it\\\'s the ever buggy PC version. There are many a SHFG who whines endlessly about their dislike for the game and will not allow you to enjoy it on those merits.
* When faced with a party of {{Munchkin}}s, a game of \\\'\\\'DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\' can turn into this very quickly. Woe to you if you happen to have a character who is not [[MinMaxing min-maxed]] up the arse. Even if you want to make a character who fulfils a role that the party needs, you\\\'re still a worthless maggot because you aren\\\'t multiclassing/are multiclassing/aren\\\'t using a [[GameBreaker cleric or druid]].
** It can be a real problem in some editions if characters are at different levels of [[MinMaxing min/maxing]]: the game balance can be shattered. A character min/maxed by a pro and a character made by a person new to the game can have such a gap in power and survivability that anything that would be a challenge for the min/maxed character is likely to destroy the new person\\\'s character in one round. A certain amount of balance must be struck in this case where the DM either reigns in the min/maxed character or helps the new player min/max their character somewhat, or a combination thereof. What makes the StopHavingFunGuy is he will be unwilling to either tone down his character or help the other player beef up his, instead deciding to berate and insist that his character is not the problem at all and expect everyone to play his way.
*** \\\'\\\'{{Exalted}}\\\'\\\' has a similar problem. Unless all the [=PCs=] put some effort into being combat-capable, anything that can even remotely challenge the combat-monsters will shred the non-combatants before they can blink.
* There was a time in \\\'\\\'AdventureQuest\\\'\\\'\\\'s history (before a lot of the new quests were released with scaled level versions) when they were all one difficulty. Then \\\'\\\'Fire War\\\'\\\' was released, a low-to-medium level quest against the fire mage Drakkonan. This was immediately followed by a string of level 80+ content. When people complained that they couldn\\\'t do any of the new content they were told in no uncertain terms that low-level players had been given one special event and that was enough. Some particularly {{egregious}} arguments insinuated that even giving low-level players one event amounted to insufferable persecution of hardcore fans.
* \\\'\\\'{{Disgaea2}}\\\'\\\'. Do you use monster classes for anything other that Magichange? You are noob, humanoids are way better. The best class is [[strike:Samurai]] MagicKnight. And God help you if you teach healer any attack magic.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Rhythm Games]]
* Honorable Mention goes to the various \\\"real musicians\\\" who tell players of games like \\\'\\\'GuitarHero\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Rock Band\\\'\\\' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no \\\'\\\'ModernWarfare\\\'\\\' fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous \\\'\\\'No Russian\\\'\\\' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar.
** Harmonix have responded to these complaints by adding the more realistic Pro Mode for \\\'\\\'RockBand 3\\\'\\\', in which drummers get to use additional cymbals, keyboardists get to use the entire two-octave keyboard at once, and most anticipated of all, guitarrists can use a new guitar controller with six strings and over a hundred buttons on its neck to more accurately simulate guitar playing, with a proper, fully-functional six-string controller on its way. This, in turn, has bred a new kind of Stop Having Fun Guy, who insists that no matter how good a guitarrist this game may make you, you\\\'re still a {{scrub}} for learning to play through a video game instead of practicing by yourself.
** Some \\\'\\\'actual musicians in bands\\\'\\\' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons[[hottip:* :For example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a \\\"real\\\" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and pluck each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song [[DamnYouMuscleMemory must fight his or her own muscle memory]], similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf. In addition, lots of notes are generally left out when playing on lower difficulties, so it\\\'s also possible to fail just by playing null notes]]. One such example appears in \\\'\\\'GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels\\\'\\\', where KISS tries to play \\\'\\\'Detroit Rock City\\\'\\\' on \\\'\\\'Rock Band 2\\\'\\\', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game\\\'s fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]
** Actually there are people wondering why anyone can have fun playing FPS and/or fantasy action games if the only proper way to have fun of shooting and fighting is, respectively, training at the shooting range/IPSC course or joining local medieval reenactment group.
** [[UnfortunateImplications One wonders if, for games like]] \\\'\\\'CommandAndConquer\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'MedalOfHonor\\\'\\\' and the like, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Al Qaeda feel the same]].
* You\\\'re not allowed to play \\\'\\\'pop\\\'n music\\\'\\\' with the Beat-Pop modifier. After all, if you want gray and blue notes so badly, why not just play \\\'\\\'{{beatmania}} IIDX\\\'\\\'?
* \\\'\\\'DanceDanceRevolution\\\'\\\' (along with its counterparts PumpItUp and InTheGroove) have similar issues throughout:
** When it comes to the safety bar, the players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with it [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it\\\'s more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot) or Survival Mode (instead of missing 4 notes max, it becomes a TimedMission with only accurate stepping to keep the timer alive for the most part).
** Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or any built-in noteskins to make reading stepcharts easier, [[WallBanger even if some of this noteskins are default options on some of the games]]. The only possible exception is the Solo modifier on older DDR arcade releases: due to a bug, if one player chose Solo, both players had to have it on.
* For a while, the speed mod debate carried over to \\\'\\\'GuitarHero\\\'\\\'. It certainly didn\\\'t help that in all \\\'\\\'Guitar Hero\\\'\\\' games so far \\\'\\\'\\\'but\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\'\\\'[=GH5=]\\\'\\\'[[hottip:* :Yes, even \\\'\\\'VanHalen\\\'\\\', which was released after \\\'\\\'[=GH5=]\\\'\\\', if only because it ran on a pre-\\\'\\\'[=GH5=]\\\'\\\' engine.]], speed modifiers were filed under the cheats menu.
* The online game [[http://www.jamlegend.com JamLegend]]\\\'s score system awards most experienced players a golden \\\"P\\\" (pro) badge.Pray you don\\\'t end up in a multiplayer match made up of pros...
** Besides that, most comments on the songs will simply consist of \\\"FC\\\" (Full Combo), sometimes followed up with \\\"Too easy\\\" or \\\"Can\\\'t believe someone failed it\\\".The moderator staff deleted them at first, but eventually resigned and let the [=SHFGs=] shout out their pride.
* Homebrew Bemani games falls victim to SHFG traps, most stepcharts wind up in the vein of \\\"It is supposed to be hard, learn to play\\\" songs. Rather evident in StepMania and Osu!
[[/folder]]
** Usually inverted on the popular Mass Effect threads on [[ImageBoard 4chan\\\'s]] [[VideoGames /v/]] board., though with [[NotSoDifferent similar responses.]] Kill the [[ObstructiveBureaucrat Council?]] What are you doing!? Save the Collector base? You\\\'re gonna doom the galaxy! [[ShippingWars Romance]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Tali?]] Bad move! Kill off [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] [[EnsembleDarkhorse and]] [[WarriorPoet Grunt]]? Get out right now.
* \\\'\\\'PennyArcade\\\'\\\' has the story of how Gabe [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/pokemon/ took the mickey out of]] a larval-stage SHFG. Also [[http://www.penny-arcade.com/2007/07/23/awesome/ a follow-up post]] showing why if you are a parent of a young child, you should never, ever let him or her attend an officially sanctioned tournament.
** It also seems that the kids made him recognise the start of potentially similar traits:
-->It was actually really cool to see how much these kids love \\\'\\\'Pokemon\\\'\\\'. I\\\'ve been so into it recently that I think I\\\'d forgotten I should be having fun. With my pages of hand written math and charts of carefully plotted out EV training regiments I actually felt sort of dirty. These little kids were showing me teams comprised not of statistically optimal Pokemon but of their favorites.
* Go to the general board of any \\\'\\\'[[{{Pokemon}} Pokémon]]\\\'\\\' game in GameFaqs, and ask for advice on which moves you should teach to your freshly caught favourite. There will always be someone who will (a) tell you that this pokémon is not suited for competitive use, and point towards better pokémon who outdoes yours in every possible aspect, (b) variation of the first, suggesting an ineffective moveset because your pokémon does not deserve the good [=TMs=], or (c) copy-paste a Smogon moveset, even if it involves chainbreeding.
*** Smogon movesets in particular are rather useless for normal play - the average Smogon moveset requires not only chainbreeding, but also pulling the Pokemon up to 100, EV and IV training every stat from the bottom, and using one-use, hard-to-find items. Also notably, most tiers in the game are based on the rest of the {{metagame}}, and only one Gym Leader in any game (Roark\\\'s Geodude and Onix in D/P/P, which he puts aside for the rematch) uses [[GameBreaker Stealth Rock.]] At this point, they aren\\\'t even for cartridge play. A lot of them involve giving the pokemon in question a specific Hidden power type, which is impossible in the actual games. They\\\'re all really only meant for Shoddy Battle, Smogon\\\'s Gen IV battle sim. This in turn means that they totally ignore the idea that some players don\\\'t do competitive battles or like to keep things simple.
** It isn\\\'t just GameFaqs. Pretty much anywhere the \\\'\\\'{{Pokemon}}\\\'\\\' fandom hangs out you will find REALLY obnoxious {{Stop Having Fun Guys}}. There may be more than even [[SuperSmashBros Smash Bros.]] Wi-fi and {{YouTube}} videos are dominated by them, so much that you can\\\'t find a casual battle anywhere unless you play with friends. And the worst of all is Smogon. Whatever you do, don\\\'t go to Smogon if you\\\'re a casual player.
** In fact, pretty much the entire competitive \\\'\\\'Pokémon\\\'\\\' community is the epitome of this trope. If you’re one of the poor fools who \\\'\\\'dares\\\'\\\' to raise your Pokémon without [[strike:horribly and cruelly abusing/biologically mutating]] EV Training them, you are going to be called a {{Scrub}} and be publicly humiliated. And if you even think about \\\'\\\'thinking about\\\'\\\' mentioning that it’s actually a physical possibility to play the game without regard to the endless amounts of soulless numbers and statistics, prepare to be mercilessly flamed until absolutely nothing is left of you.
** Heck, just having the \\\"wrong\\\" \\\'\\\'moveset\\\'\\\' can cause the StopHavingFunGuys to look down upon you. And to put it further, having the wrong nature, stats, and whatnot is also frowned upon.
*** Speaking of \\\"correct\\\" teams and moves: one war story has the teller losing five widely-used competitive Pokemon before sweeping with one normally ranked in the second-lowest tier, to the complete surprise of both players. The hilarity is best appreciated in [[http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=437618 the original thread]] (complete with chat-log).
** Do \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' mention you use \\\"Uber\\\" Pokemon. At all. Even if you\\\'re just a casual player (IE: Not very competitive) the more hardcore gamers will accuse you of using nothing more than \\\"{{Game Breaker}}s\\\" or \\\"Relying too much on over-powered Pokemon to win battles\\\". Heck, just having an \\\"Uber\\\" on your team and not even \\\'\\\'using\\\'\\\' it counts.
** [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words: Action Replay]]. Hardcore Pokemon gamers will frown upon those who use \\\"cheat codes\\\" to obtain certain Pokemon (Mainly Event Pokemon), even though it is technically legal to do so.
*** YourMileageMayVary on this - plenty of SeriousBusiness players are well aware Pokemon in-game isn\\\'t meant to be taken seriously, and are happy to let people mess around. [[WallBanger Scrubs playing with their favourite-but-mostly-useless Pokemon on a competitive simulator, however,]] tend to draw [[NerdRage unwanted attention]].
* You\\\'re not allowed to run from a battle in a [[{{JRPG}} JRPG]]. Ever. It doesn\\\'t matter whether the enemy\\\'s kicking your ass hard and it\\\'s been hours since you used a save point, you\\\'re in a real-life hurry to get to a save point, or the enemy is so weak that there\\\'s no point in fighting it for what little spoils you\\\'ll gain. If you run from battle, you are a complete [=RPG=] {{Scrub}}.
** God know how you\\\'re supposed to advance in \\\'\\\'{{Suikoden}} 2\\\'\\\' then: one of the character recruitments \\\'requires\\\' a certain amount of battle retreats. SHFG\\\'s tend not to be big on logic or exemptions.
* Apparently, you\\\'re supposed to enjoy LevelGrinding as well. If you don\\\'t, then you just don\\\'t know how to have fun in an RPG.
** Averted/Inverted somewhat in \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyVIII\\\'\\\'- Level grinding makes the game excessively harder, [[spoiler: the enemies scale with you.]]
*** And then played straight, as actually playing the game with the Experts of \\\'\\\'FFVIII\\\'\\\' will give you a very bizarre SolveTheSoupCans kind of logic in how to \\\"properly\\\" play the game. Said way tends to involve either playing Card Games or trying to Card Them All! Which actually is even LONGER and MORE complicated then normal Level Grinding.
* There is only one [[PlayerParty party]] setup worth using. Every other combination of characters is absolutely worthless. Unless you specify otherwise, everyone will always assume you\\\'re using that party.
** Very true in the \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyTactics\\\'\\\' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You\\\'re an idiot for using a \\\"garbage\\\" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the \\\"expert\\\" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.
* At the other extreme there\\\'s a set of {{Scrubs}} who will sneer at anyone who\\\'s crappy enough to \\\"need\\\" all the best stuff to win, in effect declaring [[SelfImposedChallenge Self Imposed Challenges]] the only valid way to play. Apparently if you\\\'re not playing through the game as a level 1 solo JokeCharacter without equipment you suck and have no business playing it.
* On that note, do not mention Break HP Limit to any \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyX\\\'\\\'. Ever. Otherwise, be prepared for a paragraph of text on how stupid you are for even thinking of using it, and another paragraph on how you\\\'re SUPPOSED to be fighting \\\"Insert Bonus Boss Here\\\". Like the \\\'\\\'FFVIII\\\'\\\' example, it tends to be a SolveTheSoupCans! Logic that probably involves just as much work to find all the parts that you need. Figures.
* A perfect example of what happens when you mix this with FanDumb is shown [[http://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?t=10983 here]]. Beware the [[{{Narm}} \\\"Tyranny of Fun\\\"]]!
* Do you want to have fun playing [[{{RPG}} RPGs]]? [[http://lotfp.blogspot.com/2008/06/i-hate-fun.html James Raggi]] considers you inferior. \\\"Inferior\\\" is perhaps too nice a word; \\\"the scum of the earth\\\" is a more accurate way of putting it. He even put up an followup to the article insulting anybody who was linked to it from this wiki.
* Try playing \\\'\\\'{{Fallout}} 3\\\'\\\' without using VATS much, or by actually playing as a good guy. Prepare to have people yelling your head off.
** Even if it\\\'s not a competitive game, don\\\'t you dare admit to using certain perks, like the ones that increase your experience gain or reveal all the map locations, because you\\\'re a {{noob}} who needs to level up faster to play the game to win.
*** Actually, don\\\'t even bother admitting to playing or liking \\\'\\\'Fallout 3\\\'\\\' even if it\\\'s the ever buggy PC version. There are many a SHFG who whines endlessly about their dislike for the game and will not allow you to enjoy it on those merits.
* When faced with a party of {{Munchkin}}s, a game of \\\'\\\'DungeonsAndDragons\\\'\\\' can turn into this very quickly. Woe to you if you happen to have a character who is not [[MinMaxing min-maxed]] up the arse. Even if you want to make a character who fulfils a role that the party needs, you\\\'re still a worthless maggot because you aren\\\'t multiclassing/are multiclassing/aren\\\'t using a [[GameBreaker cleric or druid]].
** It can be a real problem in some editions if characters are at different levels of [[MinMaxing min/maxing]]: the game balance can be shattered. A character min/maxed by a pro and a character made by a person new to the game can have such a gap in power and survivability that anything that would be a challenge for the min/maxed character is likely to destroy the new person\\\'s character in one round. A certain amount of balance must be struck in this case where the DM either reigns in the min/maxed character or helps the new player min/max their character somewhat, or a combination thereof. What makes the StopHavingFunGuy is he will be unwilling to either tone down his character or help the other player beef up his, instead deciding to berate and insist that his character is not the problem at all and expect everyone to play his way.
*** \\\'\\\'{{Exalted}}\\\'\\\' has a similar problem. Unless all the [=PCs=] put some effort into being combat-capable, anything that can even remotely challenge the combat-monsters will shred the non-combatants before they can blink.
* There was a time in \\\'\\\'AdventureQuest\\\'\\\'\\\'s history (before a lot of the new quests were released with scaled level versions) when they were all one difficulty. Then \\\'\\\'Fire War\\\'\\\' was released, a low-to-medium level quest against the fire mage Drakkonan. This was immediately followed by a string of level 80+ content. When people complained that they couldn\\\'t do any of the new content they were told in no uncertain terms that low-level players had been given one special event and that was enough. Some particularly {{egregious}} arguments insinuated that even giving low-level players one event amounted to insufferable persecution of hardcore fans.
* \\\'\\\'{{Disgaea2}}\\\'\\\'. Do you use monster classes for anything other that Magichange? You are noob, humanoids are way better. The best class is [[strike:Samurai]] MagicKnight. And God help you if you teach healer any attack magic.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Rhythm Games]]
* Honorable Mention goes to the various \\\"real musicians\\\" who tell players of games like \\\'\\\'GuitarHero\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'Rock Band\\\'\\\' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no \\\'\\\'ModernWarfare\\\'\\\' fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous \\\'\\\'No Russian\\\'\\\' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar.
** Harmonix have responded to these complaints by adding the more realistic Pro Mode for \\\'\\\'RockBand 3\\\'\\\', in which drummers get to use additional cymbals, keyboardists get to use the entire two-octave keyboard at once, and most anticipated of all, guitarrists can use a new guitar controller with six strings and over a hundred buttons on its neck to more accurately simulate guitar playing, with a proper, fully-functional six-string controller on its way. This, in turn, has bred a new kind of Stop Having Fun Guy, who insists that no matter how good a guitarrist this game may make you, you\\\'re still a {{scrub}} for learning to play through a video game instead of practicing by yourself.
** Some \\\'\\\'actual musicians in bands\\\'\\\' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons[[hottip:* :For example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a \\\"real\\\" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and pluck each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song [[DamnYouMuscleMemory must fight his or her own muscle memory]], similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf. In addition, lots of notes are generally left out when playing on lower difficulties, so it\\\'s also possible to fail just by playing null notes]]. One such example appears in \\\'\\\'GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels\\\'\\\', where KISS tries to play \\\'\\\'Detroit Rock City\\\'\\\' on \\\'\\\'Rock Band 2\\\'\\\', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game\\\'s fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]
** Actually there are people wondering why anyone can have fun playing FPS and/or fantasy action games if the only proper way to have fun of shooting and fighting is, respectively, training at the shooting range/IPSC course or joining local medieval reenactment group.
** [[UnfortunateImplications One wonders if, for games like]] \\\'\\\'CommandAndConquer\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'MedalOfHonor\\\'\\\' and the like, [[IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten Al Qaeda feel the same]].
* You\\\'re not allowed to play \\\'\\\'pop\\\'n music\\\'\\\' with the Beat-Pop modifier. After all, if you want gray and blue notes so badly, why not just play \\\'\\\'{{beatmania}} IIDX\\\'\\\'?
* \\\'\\\'DanceDanceRevolution\\\'\\\' (along with its counterparts PumpItUp and InTheGroove) have similar issues throughout:
** When it comes to the safety bar, the players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with it [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it\\\'s more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot) or Survival Mode (instead of missing 4 notes max, it becomes a TimedMission with only accurate stepping to keep the timer alive for the most part).
** Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or any built-in noteskins to make reading stepcharts easier, [[WallBanger even if some of this noteskins are default options on some of the games]]. The only possible exception is the Solo modifier on older DDR arcade releases: due to a bug, if one player chose Solo, both players had to have it on.
* For a while, the speed mod debate carried over to \\\'\\\'GuitarHero\\\'\\\'. It certainly didn\\\'t help that in all \\\'\\\'Guitar Hero\\\'\\\' games so far \\\'\\\'\\\'but\\\'\\\'\\\' \\\'\\\'[=GH5=]\\\'\\\'[[hottip:* :Yes, even \\\'\\\'VanHalen\\\'\\\', which was released after \\\'\\\'[=GH5=]\\\'\\\', if only because it ran on a pre-\\\'\\\'[=GH5=]\\\'\\\' engine.]], speed modifiers were filed under the cheats menu.
* The online game [[http://www.jamlegend.com JamLegend]]\\\'s score system awards most experienced players a golden \\\"P\\\" (pro) badge.Pray you don\\\'t end up in a multiplayer match made up of pros...
** Besides that, most comments on the songs will simply consist of \\\"FC\\\" (Full Combo), sometimes followed up with \\\"Too easy\\\" or \\\"Can\\\'t believe someone failed it\\\".The moderator staff deleted them at first, but eventually resigned and let the [=SHFGs=] shout out their pride.
* Homebrew Bemani games falls victim to SHFG traps, most stepcharts wind up in the vein of \\\"It is supposed to be hard, learn to play\\\" songs. Rather evident in StepMania and Osu!
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