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Moved the below example here: This whole thing sounds like the rant of some right-wing nutjob with a crush on Jessup, who I\'ve never heard described as someone other than a psycho. Santiago is never revealed to be \
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Moved the below example here: This whole thing sounds like the rant of some right-wing nutjob with a crush on Jessup, who I\\\'ve never heard described as someone other than a psycho. Santiago is never revealed to be \\\"a screw-up and a burden on his unit\\\", and the reason the whole problem was created in the first place was because Jessup refused to provide a transfer to Santiago, who was \\\'\\\'aware\\\'\\\' that he was not physically fit enough to serve in his current position, hence why he kept trying to get transferred out of the place. It\\\'s also asinine to suggest that a character \\\"loses all sympathy\\\" when the guilt of their actions (caused by following Jessup\\\'s orders) drives them to suicide.
It\\\'s also worth noting that a small minority of people feeling this way does NOT fit this trope; the movie\\\'s audience should be overwhelmingly in favor of such an opinion for it to qualify.
* \\\'\\\'Film/AFewGoodMen\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t a war film, but it is a military movie that falls victim to this trope on account of issues related to war. The point of the film is to show that even service members who are JustFollowingOrders have an obligation to question those orders when they go too far and tries to portray Colonel Jessup as bad in this vein for ordering the Code Red on PFC Santiago. Yet the film falls headfirst into StrawmanHasAPoint. While Jessup is wrong for lying about the incident and leaving Downey and Dawson to take the fall, when he finally does confess, he gives a very good argument in defense of his actions. He explains how the purpose of militaries is to fight wars, and they need to be as prepared and ready as possible to fight them, and how Santiago was hindering this preparation. The credibility of his argument is given a huge boost by the fact that he\\\'s a naval academy graduate, a Vietnam veteran, a highly decorated senior officer, and just comes off as an all-around [[ColonelBadass badass]] (the fact that he\\\'s played by Creator/JackNicholson \\\'\\\'definitely\\\'\\\' helps), so he probably knows what\\\'s he\\\'s doing in this matter. The film\\\'s argument is hurt by how it \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to portray Santiago as a sympathetic character on account of his having a heart condition; it ultimately fails because it reveals him to be a screw-up and a burden on his unit. \\\'\\\'Plus\\\'\\\' the message is further hurt by trying to portray Lt. Col. Markinson as a sympathetic character who opposes Jessup\\\'s actions, feels incredibly guilty over Santiago\\\'s death, and appears to want to try to rectify this mistake, yet he loses a ton (if not all) of that sympathy when [[spoiler: he\\\'s DrivenToSuicide before testifying in court]], hence [[WhatTheHellHero clearly failing to rectify it]].
It\\\'s also worth noting that a small minority of people feeling this way does NOT fit this trope; the movie\\\'s audience should be overwhelmingly in favor of such an opinion for it to qualify.
* \\\'\\\'Film/AFewGoodMen\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t a war film, but it is a military movie that falls victim to this trope on account of issues related to war. The point of the film is to show that even service members who are JustFollowingOrders have an obligation to question those orders when they go too far and tries to portray Colonel Jessup as bad in this vein for ordering the Code Red on PFC Santiago. Yet the film falls headfirst into StrawmanHasAPoint. While Jessup is wrong for lying about the incident and leaving Downey and Dawson to take the fall, when he finally does confess, he gives a very good argument in defense of his actions. He explains how the purpose of militaries is to fight wars, and they need to be as prepared and ready as possible to fight them, and how Santiago was hindering this preparation. The credibility of his argument is given a huge boost by the fact that he\\\'s a naval academy graduate, a Vietnam veteran, a highly decorated senior officer, and just comes off as an all-around [[ColonelBadass badass]] (the fact that he\\\'s played by Creator/JackNicholson \\\'\\\'definitely\\\'\\\' helps), so he probably knows what\\\'s he\\\'s doing in this matter. The film\\\'s argument is hurt by how it \\\'\\\'tries\\\'\\\' to portray Santiago as a sympathetic character on account of his having a heart condition; it ultimately fails because it reveals him to be a screw-up and a burden on his unit. \\\'\\\'Plus\\\'\\\' the message is further hurt by trying to portray Lt. Col. Markinson as a sympathetic character who opposes Jessup\\\'s actions, feels incredibly guilty over Santiago\\\'s death, and appears to want to try to rectify this mistake, yet he loses a ton (if not all) of that sympathy when [[spoiler: he\\\'s DrivenToSuicide before testifying in court]], hence [[WhatTheHellHero clearly failing to rectify it]].
