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24th Jan '17 11:13:37 PM Kadorhal
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** The Aesop was something along the lines of [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "If you aren't doing anything wrong]], [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything you have nothing to hide."]] Not a good aesop to use when your main readers are nerds, and (in America anyway) Liberal nerds who distrust the government on social issues, Conservative nerds who distrust the government on economic and Second Amendment issues, and Libertarians who REALLY distrust the government on ALL issues.

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** The Aesop was something along the lines of [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop "If you aren't doing anything wrong]], [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything you have nothing to hide."]] Not a good aesop to use when your main readers are nerds, and particularly (in America anyway) Liberal nerds who distrust the government on social issues, Conservative nerds who distrust the government on economic and Second Amendment issues, and Libertarians who REALLY ''really'' distrust the government on ALL ''all'' issues.



** And in addition to all of the above, the "intended" pro-registration aesop of Civil War goes completely against the ''anti''-registration aesop that the X-Men comics had been running with for decades. Marvel spent years preaching to their audience that mutant registration is wrong, and then turned around and tried to argue that superhero registration is good...without making it at all clear that that was what they were going for. And then they acted all surprised when the audience sided with the anti-registration side.

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** And in addition to all of the above, the "intended" pro-registration aesop of Civil War goes completely against the ''anti''-registration aesop that the X-Men comics had been running with for decades. Marvel spent years preaching to their audience that mutant registration is wrong, [[{{Hypocrite}} and then turned around and tried to argue that superhero registration is good...good]]... without making it at all clear that that was what they were going for. And then they acted all surprised when the audience sided with the anti-registration side.



** They also ignored the ''numerous'' stories where various supervillains infiltrated the US government and were able to access all kinds of dangerous information, like one in which the Red Skull actually got himself elected to the US Senate and started a secret bioweapon research facility in Mt Rushmore, which had only happened a couple of years before Civil War was released. The Pro-Registration side offered ''no'' assurances that registered supers would have their personal information protected from such acts. In fact ComicBook/TheHood was able to blackmail Pro-Registration hero Tigra by way of threatening to kill her mother. Mind you many supers reason to choose to have a SecretIdentity in the first place is to protect their loved ones. And yes, the Hood made clear that her being registered was the reason he can access information about her family.
** The last issue - the head writer of the anti-registration side was Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, who has a long and distinguished track record with these particular themes, and arguably ended up far more eloquent in his arguments then the "pro reg" writers.

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** They also ignored the ''numerous'' stories where various supervillains infiltrated the US government and were able to access all kinds of dangerous information, like one in which the Red Skull actually got himself elected to the US Senate and started a secret bioweapon research facility in Mt Rushmore, which had only happened a couple of years before Civil War was released. The Pro-Registration side offered ''no'' assurances that registered supers would have their personal information protected from such acts. In fact fact, ComicBook/TheHood was able to blackmail Pro-Registration hero Tigra by way of threatening to kill her mother. Mind you as well, many supers supers' reason to choose for choosing to have a SecretIdentity in the first place is to protect their loved ones. And ones - and, yes, the Hood made clear that her being registered was the reason he can was able to access information about her family.
** The last issue - the head writer of the anti-registration side was Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, who has a long and distinguished track record with these particular themes, and arguably ended up far more eloquent in his arguments then than the "pro reg" pro-reg writers.



* In ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' #1, Batman had Robin fight a bunch of unarmed crooks to see how tough they really were without their guns. Robin trounces them with ease, leaving one of the crooks to say "If only I had my gun!" Batman breaks the fourth wall to point out that the readers shouldn't emulate crooks. Sadly, the aesop and the story were probably overshadowed because the comic book ''also'' introduced ComicBook/TheJoker, one of the most popular, and psychotic, comic book characters of all time, and ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, one of the most popular FoeYay AntiHero characters of all time.

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* In ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' #1, Batman had Robin fight a bunch of unarmed crooks to see how tough they really were without their guns. Robin trounces them with ease, leaving one of the crooks to say "If only I had my gun!" Batman breaks the fourth wall to point out that the readers shouldn't emulate crooks. Sadly, the aesop and the story were probably overshadowed because the comic book ''also'' introduced both ComicBook/TheJoker, one of the most popular, and psychotic, comic book characters of all time, and ComicBook/{{Catwoman}}, one of the most popular FoeYay AntiHero characters of all time.



* ''ComicBook/ChickTracts'' fall into this quite heavily to the point where they have been [[PoesLaw believed to be parodies]], and Jack Chick has had to point out that this is not the case.

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* ''ComicBook/ChickTracts'' fall into this quite heavily to the point where they have been [[PoesLaw believed to be parodies]], and Jack Chick has had to point out several times that this is not the case.
23rd Jan '17 9:34:54 PM Kadorhal
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* Throughout the entire ''Mazinger'' trilogy - ''Anime/MazingerZ'', ''Anime/GreatMazinger'' and ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer'' - and [[Manga/NewMazinger alternate]] [[Anime/ShinMazinger series]], Creator/GoNagai tried to send the message of WarIsHell. Cities were destroyed and burnt to ashes, innocent people was hurt and suffered or died in horrible ways (there are several instances of genocide) or lost their loved ones or were enslaved or brainwashed... And victory always had a high price. Unfortunately, he did so by showing real cool battles between colourful, awesome {{Humongous Mecha}}s and impressive, imaginative monsters duking it out among them with spectacular WeaponsOfMassDestruction, so a lot of viewers kind of missed the point.

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* Throughout the entire ''Mazinger'' trilogy - ''Anime/MazingerZ'', ''Anime/GreatMazinger'' and ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer'' - and [[Manga/NewMazinger alternate]] [[Anime/ShinMazinger series]], Creator/GoNagai tried to send the message of WarIsHell. Cities were destroyed and burnt to ashes, innocent people was were hurt and suffered or died in horrible ways (there are several instances of genocide) or lost their loved ones or were enslaved or brainwashed... And victory always had a high price. Unfortunately, he did so by showing real cool battles between colourful, awesome {{Humongous Mecha}}s and impressive, imaginative monsters duking it out among them with spectacular WeaponsOfMassDestruction, so a lot of viewers kind of missed the point.



** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' includes a [[GunPorn massive arsenal of weapons]] which, ironically, manages to avoid one of the above problems, as that expanded arsenal means players who want to play without killing people are no longer [[BoringButPractical forced to rely on two dedicated non-lethal weapons for the entire game]] - in addition to the returning tranquilizer-converted pistol and sniper rifle, the knife can shock people into unconsciousness rather than cutting or stabbing them, [[RobotBuddy Metal Gear Mk. II]] can sneak around under stealth camo and stun enemies in cover, and all the shotguns and grenade launchers have the option of using non-lethal rounds.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' may be the best inversion in the series, as going through the missions killing everyone actively penalizes you - you lose "heroism points" for it, and every soldier you kill is a potential recruit for Mother Base lost. In-story, Big Boss is also idolized for his aversion to killing his enemies. However, those playing the game in a non-lethal capacity will find approximately three fourths of their arsenal to be completely useless.
** The ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'' series has the same problem. As a silent assassin, Agent 47 is supposed to kill no one save for his targets while being unnoticed and firing the least amount of shots. But hey, there's [[GunPorn tons of guns]] to collect & fire, but most of them are either noisy, unconcealable, or firing [[MoreDakka more rounds]] [[GunsAkimbo than needed]].

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** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' includes a [[GunPorn massive arsenal of weapons]] which, ironically, manages to avoid one of the above problems, as that expanded arsenal means players who want to play without killing people are no longer [[BoringButPractical forced to rely on two dedicated non-lethal weapons or punching people out for the entire game]] - in addition to the returning tranquilizer-converted pistol and sniper rifle, the knife can shock people into unconsciousness rather than cutting or stabbing them, [[RobotBuddy Metal Gear Mk. II]] can sneak around under stealth camo and stun enemies in cover, and all the shotguns and grenade launchers have the option of using non-lethal rounds.
rounds. On the other hand, though, especially in the third game of the series, there are many, ''many'' fun ways to [[TheJoysOfTorturingMooks make life hell for the bad guys without actually killing them]], which may be just as bad in the long run.
** ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'' may be the best inversion in the series, as going through the missions killing everyone actively penalizes you - you lose "heroism points" for it, and every soldier you kill is a potential recruit for Mother Base lost. In-story, Big Boss is also idolized for his aversion to killing his enemies. enemies, and it's very rare that enemies captured during a mission will ever have any qualms against working with you. However, while the game also has many non-lethal options like ''4'', those playing the game in a non-lethal capacity will still find approximately three fourths of their arsenal to be completely useless.
** The ''{{VideoGame/Hitman}}'' series has the same problem. As a silent assassin, Agent 47 is supposed to kill no one save for his targets while being unnoticed and firing the least amount of shots. But hey, there's [[GunPorn tons of guns]] to collect & fire, but most of them are either noisy, unconcealable, hard if not impossible to conceal, or firing fire [[MoreDakka more rounds]] [[GunsAkimbo than needed]].



** ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' takes place in a future where the military has become mostly privatized, and the world's economy is dependent upon continuous war. While this time, the player isn't a PMC, and the game does a good job of showing the CrapsackWorld this has brought about, it again manages to make [=PMCs=] look extremely cool, thanks largely to the awesome technology they use, such as the Gekko robots, as well as the nanobites that turn ground troops into {{super soldier}}s.

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** ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' takes place in a future where the military has become mostly privatized, and the world's economy is dependent upon continuous war. While this time, the player isn't a PMC, and the game does a good job of showing the CrapsackWorld this has brought about, it again manages to make [=PMCs=] look extremely cool, thanks largely to the awesome technology they use, such as the Gekko robots, as well as the nanobites that turn even barely-trained ground troops into {{super soldier}}s.
22nd Jan '17 2:20:54 PM MagBas
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** Ironically, this might just end up proving the movie's point about the numbing effects of war.
22nd Jan '17 2:07:34 PM StingSniperscope
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** Ironically, this might just end up proving the movie's point about the numbing effects of war.
9th Jan '17 9:29:13 AM Allronix
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** The last issue - the head writer of the anti-registration side was Creator/JMichaelStraczynski, who has a long and distinguished track record with these particular themes, and arguably ended up far more eloquent in his arguments then the "pro reg" writers.
6th Jan '17 6:27:42 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* This is basically the reason why abstinence-only sexual education tends to be somewhat less than persuasive to high school students: sex is very physically and emotionally alluring while readily available contraception has greatly mitigated its potentially detrimental physical consequences; and its long-term personal and social consequences are rather abstract and particularly difficult for the hormone-addled teen mind to comprehend. In other words, the gratification that having sex offers is immediate and obvious, while the risks are all delayed and uncertain, and teens are notoriously reckless and short-sighted about the future.

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* This is basically the reason why abstinence-only sexual education tends to be somewhat less than persuasive to high school students: sex is very physically and emotionally alluring while readily available contraception has greatly mitigated its potentially detrimental physical consequences; and its long-term personal and social consequences are rather abstract and particularly difficult for the hormone-addled teen mind to comprehend. In other words, the gratification that having sex offers is immediate and obvious, while the risks are all delayed and uncertain, and teens are notoriously reckless and short-sighted about the future. The result is that teens in these programs have just as much sex, but get pregnant and spread diseases much more frequently than those taught how to ''use'' those easily available contraceptives.
4th Jan '17 7:54:27 AM PinkTwinkle
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** Not to mention the disastrous sleepover that took place in one of the books, where the kids pretty much trashed the house and the police were contacted. Though the chaos of the party was only shown on one page, and there were consequences for the kids' actions... it DID look pretty freakin' awesome, anyway.

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** Not to mention the disastrous sleepover that took place in one of the books, where the kids pretty much trashed the house and the police were contacted. Though the chaos of the party was only shown on one page, and there were consequences for the kids' actions... it still DID look pretty freakin' awesome, anyway.awesome.
4th Jan '17 7:52:40 AM PinkTwinkle
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** Not to mention the disastrous sleepover that took place in one of the books, where the kids pretty much trashed the house and the police were contacted. Though the chaos of the party was only shown on one page, and there were consequences for the kids' actions... it DID look pretty freakin' awesome, anyway.
2nd Jan '17 10:13:09 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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* One level in ''VideoGame/{{Emogame}} 2'' has you going onto the set of ''The Jenny Jones Show'', where the use of this trope on [[PointAndLaughShow tabloid talk shows]] is mocked for all it's worth. Today's episode revolves around "12-year-old hoochies" in a way that seems to be backhandedly promoting the TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior of the adolescent girls featured while ostensibly condemning it, with Jenny Jones bragging about using [[SexSells softcore child porn]] as a RatingsStunt.
1st Jan '17 1:14:06 PM ChesterPolarbear
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* ''Unfaithful'' illustrates the negative consequences of [[GoodAdulteryBadAdultery female infidelity]]. But Diane Lane reports that [[AllWomenAreLustful women]] thank her for her role as Connie Sumner in the film, because Connie [[ReallyGetsAround sleeps around]] because she can and not because she's miserable. Lane elaborates further by saying "I mean she was cheating and lying. Then I realized it was because she wasn't a victim. She made a choice to have an affair. It's not something you often see.".
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