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* Lampshaded by SMBC http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/smoking-kills
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** GundamIronBloodedOrphans subverts this in the second season, Mika slowly dehumanizes himself throughout the series to his death after blindly following Orga's orders that results in an [[spoiler: undignified death by assassins after assisting a failed coup]]. The Gundam Frames were unceremonously defeated by BoringButPractical Dainslifs Mass Drivers.

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** GundamIronBloodedOrphans subverts this in the second season, Mika slowly dehumanizes himself throughout the series to his death after blindly following Orga's orders that results in an [[spoiler: undignified death by assassins after assisting a failed coup]]. The Gundam Frames were unceremonously unceremoniously defeated by BoringButPractical Dainslifs Mass Drivers.






** They also ignored the ''numerous'' stories where various supervillains infiltrated the US government and were able to access all kinds of dangerous information, like one in which the Red Skull actually got himself elected to the US Senate and started a secret bioweapon research facility in Mt Rushmore, which had only happened a couple of years before Civil War was released. The Pro-Registration side offered ''no'' assurances that registered supers would have their personal information protected from such acts. In fact, ComicBook/TheHood was able to blackmail Pro-Registration hero Tigra by way of threatening to kill her mother. Mind you as well, many supers' reason for choosing to have a SecretIdentity in the first place is to protect their loved ones - and, yes, the Hood made clear that her being registered was the reason he was able to access information about her family.

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** They also ignored the ''numerous'' stories where various supervillains infiltrated the US government and were able to access all kinds of dangerous information, like one in which the Red Skull ComicBook/RedSkull actually got himself elected to the US Senate and started a secret bioweapon research facility in Mt Rushmore, which had only happened a couple of years before Civil War was released. The Pro-Registration side offered ''no'' assurances that registered supers would have their personal information protected from such acts. In fact, ComicBook/TheHood was able to blackmail Pro-Registration hero Tigra by way of threatening to kill her mother. Mind you as well, many supers' reason for choosing to have a SecretIdentity in the first place is to protect their loved ones - and, yes, the Hood made clear that her being registered was the reason he was able to access information about her family.



* This is one of the, if not ''the'', biggest criticisms towards ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire''. Despite the fact that ComicBook/{{HYDRA}} and the Cosmic Cube-altered ComicBook/CaptainAmerica are effectively the bad guys of the storyline, Cap is shown as an EvilIsCool character of VillainousValor who is not only the LesserOfTwoEvils between him doing this or the ComicBook/RedSkull [[spoiler:as well as being worthy of Mjolnir]], Marvel's marketing has been heavily leaning towards HYDRA and ''not'' their heroes, to the point where they were trying to get comic book shop owners to wear shirts with the HYDRA logo on them, making many question if Marvel knows what they're doing.

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* This is one of the, if not ''the'', biggest criticisms towards ''ComicBook/SecretEmpire''. Despite the fact that ComicBook/{{HYDRA}} and the Cosmic Cube-altered ComicBook/CaptainAmerica are effectively the bad guys of the storyline, Cap is shown as an EvilIsCool character of VillainousValor VillainousValour who is not only the LesserOfTwoEvils between him doing this or the ComicBook/RedSkull [[spoiler:as well as being worthy of Mjolnir]], Marvel's marketing has been heavily leaning towards HYDRA and ''not'' their heroes, to the point where they were trying to get comic book shop owners to wear shirts with the HYDRA logo on them, making many question if Marvel knows what they're doing.



* ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}''. Even though the entire film is set up to show that Tony's destruction is inevitable, even though he ends up [[LonelyAtTheTop losing or killing everyone and everything]] he cares about, and even though [[spoiler: he ends up floating in his own fountain]], it's hard to watch the movie and not want to be him. Especially during the GoodTimesMontage, set to Paul Engemann's [[EarWorm "Push It to the Limit"]] showing all the material wealth Tony is acquiring, which pretty much gives the {{audience|Reaction}} a picture to give to their own IfIWereARichMan fantasy. The movie is also very popular in the hip hop community due to this appeal and had a huge following among crack dealers in the 80's. (Hence the WhatIf [[VideoGame/ScarfaceTheWorldIsYours video game]] in which you ''get'' to be him, and you get to survive, learn your lesson, and [[BrokenAesop win by rebuilding an even bigger and better criminal empire]].)

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* ''Film/{{Scarface 1983}}''. Even though the entire film is set up to show that Tony's destruction is inevitable, even though he ends up [[LonelyAtTheTop losing or killing everyone and everything]] he cares about, and even though [[spoiler: he ends up floating in his own fountain]], it's hard to watch the movie and not want to be him. Especially during the GoodTimesMontage, set to Paul Engemann's [[EarWorm "Push It to the Limit"]] showing all the material wealth Tony is acquiring, which pretty much gives the {{audience|Reaction}} {{audience|Reactions}} a picture to give to their own IfIWereARichMan fantasy. The movie is also very popular in the hip hop community due to this appeal and had a huge following among crack dealers in the 80's. (Hence the WhatIf [[VideoGame/ScarfaceTheWorldIsYours video game]] in which you ''get'' to be him, and you get to survive, learn your lesson, and [[BrokenAesop win by rebuilding an even bigger and better criminal empire]].)



* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' had a subtle anti-smoking message for the first season or two -- every character who smoked either turned out to be a villain or died soon after they were introduced. But Spike, who started out as a villain, ended up being a regular and a well-liked character... who often smoked cigarettes. Sexily. Faith took up smoking in the last season.

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* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer''
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had a subtle anti-smoking message for the first season or two -- every character who smoked either turned out to be a villain or died soon after they were introduced. But Spike, who started out as a villain, [[EnsembleDarkhorse/LiveActionTV ended up being a regular and a well-liked character...character]]... who often smoked cigarettes. Sexily. Faith took up smoking in the last season.



* ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' pokes fun at a Singapore anti-gambling ad aired the week before the 2014 World Cup in which a young child despondently tells his friends that his dad bet all their money on underdog Germany to win. The problem? In an upset victory, [[HilariousInHindsight Germany DID win]], meaning that the kid and his family are set for life! A follow-up ad was aired the next week in which the same kid reveals that his dad turned around and spent all of their winnings on more gambling, but, as Oliver points out, as long as the dad's streak keeps up, this isn't much of a problem. Even if we assume it doesn't, the {{Aesop}} could easily be interpreted as "quit while you're ahead" or maybe "take half of a big windfall and put it into something responsible like a college fund or a house and then let the other half ride" as opposed to "gambling is bad."

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* ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' pokes fun at a Singapore anti-gambling ad aired the week before the 2014 World Cup in which a young child despondently tells his friends that his dad bet all their money on underdog Germany to win. The problem? In an upset victory, [[HilariousInHindsight Germany DID win]], meaning that the kid and his family are set for life! A follow-up ad was aired the next week in which the same kid reveals that his dad turned around and spent all of their winnings on more gambling, but, as Oliver points out, as long as the dad's streak keeps up, this isn't much of a problem. Even if we assume it doesn't, the {{Aesop}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] could easily be interpreted as "quit while you're ahead" or maybe "take half of a big windfall and put it into something responsible like a college fund or a house and then let the other half ride" as opposed to "gambling is bad."



* Creator/NormMacDonald pointed out the problem addressed in anti-smoking ads mentioned above under "General" with showing the effect of smoking on organs.

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* Creator/NormMacDonald pointed out the problem addressed in anti-smoking ads mentioned above under "General" with showing the effect of smoking on organs.



* ''VisualNovel/{{Mystic Messenger}}'' has Jumin Han's route and his second Bad Ending. The writers' intent was to deliver AnAesop on how treating someone you love like a possession and hoarding them all to yourself is ''not'' true love. If the player chooses to enable Jumin's latent possessive nature, he will [[spoiler: bind your hands and feet, make you wear shoes implanted with a micro GPS, and lock you up in his penthouse [[Literature/FiftyShadesofGrey Christian Grey]] style. There, you will have everything you want except freedom, and he treats you as an object for his own amusement]]. This ending is meant to be seen as horrific as Jumin has chosen to succumb to his emotional issues rather than change for the better. The problem? He's [[ManofWealthAndTaste filthy rich]], [[TallDarkAndSnarky classy]], and [[MrFanservice very handsome.]] This caused the message to fly over the heads of a [[MisaimedFandom vocal contingent of the fanbase]], with many of them finding this ending kinky, and even going as far as to say that it would be preferable to his Good or Normal endings.
** This happened again with the V Route update, this time to [[spoiler: Saeran, AKA: Ray, and Rika]]. The V Route storyline tries to deliver a similar message about the difference between obsession and love. However, by giving [[spoiler: Ray and Rika]] [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and making them AffablyEvil (NOT helped by [[spoiler: the copious amounts of LesYay the protagonist has with Rika, including a Bad Ending wherein they actually get together]]), they caused people to ignore the message once again. As a result, you have ''another'' group of fans wanting to romance [[spoiler: Ray and/or Rika]] in spite of Cheritz' repeated attempts to showcase them as abusive and warn the players about how unhealthy a relationship with either of them would be.

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* ''VisualNovel/{{Mystic Messenger}}'' ''VisualNovel/MysticMessenger'' has Jumin Han's route and his second Bad Ending. The writers' intent was to deliver AnAesop on how treating someone you love like a possession and hoarding them all to yourself is ''not'' true love. If the player chooses to enable Jumin's latent possessive nature, he will [[spoiler: bind your hands and feet, make you wear shoes implanted with a micro GPS, and lock you up in his penthouse [[Literature/FiftyShadesofGrey Christian Grey]] style. There, you will have everything you want except freedom, and he treats you as an object for his own amusement]]. This ending is meant to be seen as horrific as Jumin has chosen to succumb to his emotional issues rather than change for the better. The problem? He's [[ManofWealthAndTaste filthy rich]], [[TallDarkAndSnarky classy]], and [[MrFanservice very handsome.]] This caused the message to fly over the heads of a [[MisaimedFandom vocal contingent of the fanbase]], with many of them finding this ending kinky, and even going as far as to say that it would be preferable to his Good or Normal endings.
** This happened again with the V Route update, this time to [[spoiler: Saeran, AKA: Ray, and Rika]]. The V Route storyline tries to deliver a similar message about the difference between obsession and love. However, by giving [[spoiler: Ray and Rika]] [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] {{Freudian Excuse}}s and making them AffablyEvil (NOT helped by [[spoiler: the copious amounts of LesYay the protagonist has with Rika, including a Bad Ending wherein they actually get together]]), they caused people to ignore the message once again. As a result, you have ''another'' group of fans wanting to romance [[spoiler: Ray and/or Rika]] in spite of Cheritz' repeated attempts to showcase them as abusive and warn the players about how unhealthy a relationship with either of them would be.



* This was basically the essence of Marshal Marmont's lessons to the Duke of Reichstadt, [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]'s son. He gave the Duke firsthand account of his father's brilliant campaigns, detailing his tactics and strategies, while emphasizing that this example was not to be emulated at all - partly because most of Napoleon's victories were at the expense of the Emperor of Austria, who also happened to be Reichstadt's grandfather. Needless to say, it did not prevent the Duke from dreaming that he could one day take power in France and restore the country to its former glory.

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* This was basically the essence of Marshal Marmont's lessons to the Duke of Reichstadt, [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]'s UsefulNotes/{{Napoleon|Bonaparte}}'s son. He gave the Duke firsthand account of his father's brilliant campaigns, detailing his tactics and strategies, while emphasizing that this example was not to be emulated at all - partly because most of Napoleon's victories were at the expense of the Emperor of Austria, who also happened to be Reichstadt's grandfather. Needless to say, it did not prevent the Duke from dreaming that he could one day take power in France and restore the country to its former glory.



* Legend has it that the reason lesbianism was never outlawed in the UK was because Parliament thought it would give women ideas.
** Or perhaps because, in the popular imagery, [[GirlOnGirlIsHot it didn't look bad]].

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* Legend has it that the reason lesbianism was never outlawed in the UK was because Parliament thought it would give women ideas.
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ideas. Or perhaps because, in the popular imagery, [[GirlOnGirlIsHot it didn't look bad]].
4th Oct '17 7:47:38 PM Kadorhal
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** An ad from the early 2000's depicts two kids in the bathroom at a concert getting high before a cop comes in and busts them. A caption appears on the screen saying "Marijuana can get you busted. Harmless?" It's telling viewers that the reason marijuana is bad is simply because it's illegal, which leads the viewer to think that there would be no problem if it was legal.

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** An ad from the early 2000's depicts two kids in the bathroom at a concert getting high before a cop comes in and busts them. A caption appears on the screen saying "Marijuana can get you busted. Harmless?" It's telling viewers that the reason marijuana is bad is simply because it's illegal, illegal without giving any adequate explanation for ''why'', which leads the viewer to think that there would be no problem if it was legal.



* ''Unfaithful'' illustrates the negative consequences of [[GoodAdulteryBadAdultery female infidelity]]. But Creator/DianeLane reports that [[AllWomenAreLustful women]] thank her for her role as Connie Sumner in the film, because Connie [[ReallyGetsAround sleeps around]] because she can, and not because she's miserable. Lane elaborates further by saying "I mean she was cheating and lying. Then I realized it was because she wasn't a victim. She made a choice to have an affair. It's not something you often see.".
* The 1965 ''Perversion for Profit'', supposedly intended as a "diatribe against pornography" meant to discourage its consumption, instead shows barely-censored, beautiful erotica and simply tells them "this is right on your street corner!" without explaining ''why'' exactly its existence "weakens our resistance to the onslaught of [[RedScare the Communist masters of deceit]]".

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* ''Unfaithful'' illustrates the negative consequences of [[GoodAdulteryBadAdultery female infidelity]]. But Creator/DianeLane reports that several [[AllWomenAreLustful women]] thank have thanked her for her role as Connie Sumner in the film, because Connie [[ReallyGetsAround sleeps around]] because she can, and not because she's miserable. Lane elaborates further by saying "I mean she was cheating and lying. Then I realized it was because she wasn't a victim. She made a choice to have an affair. It's not something you often see.".
* The 1965 ''Perversion for Profit'', supposedly intended as a "diatribe against pornography" meant to discourage its consumption, instead shows barely-censored, beautiful erotica and simply tells them "this is right on your street corner!" without explaining ''why'' exactly its existence "weakens our resistance to the onslaught of [[RedScare the Communist masters of deceit]]". And, of course, no mention on any ways in which it harms the women who take part in the production of it, since it's 1965 and therefore [[ValuesDissonance nobody really cares]].



* In ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}''; [[KidHero Alk]] kills a soldier (in self defence) in the 6th book, who taunted him and made him afraid, much like a [[TheBully bully]] including that he wants to kill Alk, while laughing at him. The fact that both [[PragmaticHero Millian]] and [[TheSwordThatSpeaks Kheiko]] say [[ARealManIsAKiller it's natural]] and he would probably have to learn how to do it soon anyway making it seemingly natural for one to kill one's bullies, which of course is very tempting, but also very wrong to do. Made worse by that Alk had so far been a VanillaProtagonist, and him doing this made him somewhat cooler…

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* In ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}''; ''Literature/{{Phenomena}}'', [[KidHero Alk]] kills a soldier (in self defence) in the 6th book, who taunted him and made him afraid, much like a [[TheBully bully]] including that he wants to kill Alk, while laughing at him. The fact that both [[PragmaticHero Millian]] and [[TheSwordThatSpeaks Kheiko]] say [[ARealManIsAKiller it's natural]] and he would probably have to learn how to do it soon anyway making it seemingly natural for one to kill one's bullies, which of course is very tempting, but also very wrong to do. Made worse by that Alk had so far been a VanillaProtagonist, and him doing this made him somewhat cooler…cooler...



* ''Songmaster'' by Creator/OrsonScottCard ends up making a young boy and his male pedophile master seem sympathetic and his novel was criticized heavily by conservatives for glorifying homosexuality. Anyone who knows Card's opinions on homosexuality will know that this was not his intent.
* In an interview celebrating the launching of his most recent book, ''Imperial Bedrooms'', Bret Easton Ellis recounted how many fans of his work would come up to him and say "You're the guy who wrote ''Literature/LessThanZero'', that's the book that made me want to live in L.A." Anyone who's read the book in question (or indeed anything by Ellis) will appreciate [[MisaimedFandom just how ridiculous this is]].
** One of his aims with ''Imperial Bedrooms'' was to respond to all the readers who perceived Clay as the hero in the first book, by emphasising far more his near-sociopathic narcissism. YMMV on how much it worked, although [[spoiler: Ellis certainly shows him doing some horrific things, but gives him one or two very small PetTheDog moments]].

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* ''Songmaster'' by Creator/OrsonScottCard ends up making a young boy and his male pedophile master seem sympathetic sympathetic, and his the novel was criticized heavily by conservatives for glorifying homosexuality. Anyone who knows Card's opinions on homosexuality will know that this was not his intent.
* In an interview celebrating the launching of his most then-most recent book, ''Imperial Bedrooms'', Bret Easton Ellis recounted how many fans of his work would come up to him and say "You're the guy who wrote ''Literature/LessThanZero'', that's the book that made me want to live in L.A." Anyone who's read the book in question (or indeed anything by Ellis) will appreciate [[MisaimedFandom just how ridiculous this is]].
** One of his aims with ''Imperial Bedrooms'' was to respond to all the readers who perceived Clay as the hero in the first book, by emphasising placing far more emphasis on his near-sociopathic narcissism. YMMV on how much it worked, although [[spoiler: Ellis certainly shows him doing some horrific things, but gives him one or two very small PetTheDog moments]].



** All of the Star Wars baddies radiate this. The 501st Legion is the world's LARGEST costuming fan club. The stories were originally entitled "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker" and changed to the "The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker" when the prequels were released.

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** All of the Star Wars ''Star Wars'' baddies radiate this. The 501st Legion is the world's LARGEST largest costuming fan club. The stories were originally entitled "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker" and changed to the "The Rise, Fall, and Redemption of Anakin Skywalker" when the prequels were released.



* ''Literature/ReadyPlayerOne'' lavishly describes the OASIS; a virtual world that is not only the ultimate in entertainment, but a hyper-efficient means communication, education, and even jobs… before condemning the entire concept as, “…a self-imposed prison for humanity. A pleasant place for the world to hide from its problems while human civilization slowly collapses, primarily due to neglect.” There is little consideration that making every intellectual resource ever created by the human race accessible to every human being alive just might be the only reason civilization still exists despite the sad state of the environment and the scarcity of physical resources.

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* ''Literature/ReadyPlayerOne'' lavishly describes the OASIS; OASIS: a virtual world that is not only the ultimate in entertainment, but a hyper-efficient means communication, education, and even jobs… before condemning the entire concept as, “…a self-imposed prison for humanity. A pleasant place for the world to hide from its problems while human civilization slowly collapses, primarily due to neglect.” There is little consideration that making every intellectual resource ever created by the human race accessible to every human being alive just might be the only reason civilization still exists despite the sad state of the environment and the scarcity of physical resources.



* Although bigoted, Alf Garnett from ''TillDeathDoUsPart'' was intended to be a figure of fun showing the stupidity of racism. He became a cult hero for misogynists and xenophobes. The same goes for the show's loose American remake. ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' was, officially, intended to show that bigotry is bad, but Archie Bunker came across as a fairly fun, likable guy in spite of it. The more progressive "Meathead" often came across as self-righteous.
* ''Series/MadMen'' is about deconstructing the myth of [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe the good ol' days]] and is supposed to be about the 'dark side' of social conformism, corporate careerism, and white male privilege in [[TheSixties Sixties]] white collar America. The show demonstrates this by endlessly displaying hot (and frequently undressed) women, acts of debauchery, plentiful alcohol, smoking without guilt, fabulous outfits, and snazzy Jet Age decor. Wait, there's a dark side to making tons of money and being able to tell people what to do?

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* Although bigoted, Alf Garnett from ''TillDeathDoUsPart'' ''Till Death Us Do Part'' was intended to be a figure of fun showing the stupidity of racism. He became a cult hero for misogynists and xenophobes. The same goes for the show's loose American remake. ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' was, officially, intended to show that bigotry is bad, but Archie Bunker came across as a fairly fun, likable guy in spite of it. The more progressive "Meathead" often came across as self-righteous.
* ''Series/MadMen'' is about deconstructing the myth of [[NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe the good ol' days]] and is supposed to be about the 'dark side' of social conformism, corporate careerism, and white male privilege in [[TheSixties Sixties]] '60s]] white collar America. The show demonstrates this by endlessly displaying hot (and frequently undressed) women, acts of debauchery, plentiful alcohol, smoking without guilt, fabulous outfits, and snazzy Jet Age decor. Wait, there's a dark side to making tons of money and being able to tell people what to do?



** Then the main plot of the episode involves Hilary and her friend Brenda getting drunk off her parents liquor, then Vicky worries that their drinking is a bad influence on Hilary and to Dave's annoyance, implements a rule that no one in the house can drink. Vicky only lasts two days before secretly drinking in the garage, then both Dave and Vicky get drunk off free liquor and make a scene in front of Brenda's parents, causing much embarrassment and end up lecturing Hilary that they can drink because they're the parents

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** Then the main plot of the episode involves Hilary and her friend Brenda getting drunk off her parents parents' liquor, then Vicky worries that their drinking is a bad influence on Hilary and to Dave's annoyance, implements a rule that no one in the house can drink. Vicky only lasts two days before secretly drinking in the garage, then both Dave and Vicky get drunk off free liquor and make a scene in front of Brenda's parents, causing much embarrassment and end up lecturing Hilary that they can drink because they're the parentsparents.



--> Baby this town rips the bones from your back
--> It's a death trap, it's a suicide rap
--> We gotta get out while we're young

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--> Baby this town rips the bones from your back
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It's a death trap, it's a suicide rap
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We gotta get out while we're young
4th Oct '17 3:39:52 PM Kadorhal
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* ''Unfaithful'' illustrates the negative consequences of [[GoodAdulteryBadAdultery female infidelity]]. But Creator/DianeLane reports that [[AllWomenAreLustful women]] thank her for her role as Connie Sumner in the film, because Connie [[ReallyGetsAround sleeps around]] because she can and not because she's miserable. Lane elaborates further by saying "I mean she was cheating and lying. Then I realized it was because she wasn't a victim. She made a choice to have an affair. It's not something you often see.".
* Film/PerversionForProfit supposey intended as a 1965 "Diatribe against pornography" meant to discourage consumption, instead of showing negative effects it shows barely-censored erotica that is beautiful while reminding everyone "this is right on your street corner!"

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* ''Unfaithful'' illustrates the negative consequences of [[GoodAdulteryBadAdultery female infidelity]]. But Creator/DianeLane reports that [[AllWomenAreLustful women]] thank her for her role as Connie Sumner in the film, because Connie [[ReallyGetsAround sleeps around]] because she can can, and not because she's miserable. Lane elaborates further by saying "I mean she was cheating and lying. Then I realized it was because she wasn't a victim. She made a choice to have an affair. It's not something you often see.".
* Film/PerversionForProfit supposey The 1965 ''Perversion for Profit'', supposedly intended as a 1965 "Diatribe "diatribe against pornography" meant to discourage its consumption, instead of showing negative effects it shows barely-censored erotica that is barely-censored, beautiful while reminding everyone erotica and simply tells them "this is right on your street corner!"corner!" without explaining ''why'' exactly its existence "weakens our resistance to the onslaught of [[RedScare the Communist masters of deceit]]".
3rd Oct '17 7:17:40 AM MBG
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** ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV'' tries to have the moral of ''dueling to make others smile is the way to go!", and contrasts this by giving the main character a SuperpoweredEvilSide who fights in TranquilFury and uses brutal tactics, with the intended point being that this is wrong. The problem is that other series [[RecycledScript had similar moments]] of the main characters losing themselves in anger, and it was always conveyed by having them either fail after pursuing suicidal strategies or [[PyrrhicVictory win too late for it to mean anything]]. Meanwhile, Yuya's berserk state always wins, and usually in a way that significantly advances his goals, and even usually getting a few new cards that his SuperpoweredEvilSide created from thin air out of the deal. Even after said evil side [[spoiler:becomes the final villain and is defeated]], Yuya still keeps using strategies that said evil side provided for him.
1st Oct '17 3:15:22 PM ADrago
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See also EvilIsCool, EvilIsSexy, ForbiddenFruit, ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything, DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster, and TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs.

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See also EvilIsCool, EvilIsSexy, ForbiddenFruit, ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything, DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAGangster, and TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs.
JustForFun/TelevisionIsTryingToKillUs.
1st Oct '17 3:58:15 AM someoneintheshadow456
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** This happened again with the V Route update, this time to [[spoiler: Saeran, AKA: Ray, and Rika]]. The V Route storyline tries to deliver a similar message about the difference between obsession and love. However, by giving [[spoiler: Ray and Rika]] [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and making them AffablyEvil (NOT helped by [[spoiler: the copious amounts of LesYay the protagonist has with Rika, including a Bad Ending wherein they actually get together]), they caused people to ignore the message once again. As a result, you have ''another'' group of fans wanting to romance [[spoiler: Ray and/or Rika]] in spite of Cheritz' repeated attempts to showcase them as abusive and warn the players about how unhealthy a relationship with either of them would be.

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** This happened again with the V Route update, this time to [[spoiler: Saeran, AKA: Ray, and Rika]]. The V Route storyline tries to deliver a similar message about the difference between obsession and love. However, by giving [[spoiler: Ray and Rika]] [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and making them AffablyEvil (NOT helped by [[spoiler: the copious amounts of LesYay the protagonist has with Rika, including a Bad Ending wherein they actually get together]), together]]), they caused people to ignore the message once again. As a result, you have ''another'' group of fans wanting to romance [[spoiler: Ray and/or Rika]] in spite of Cheritz' repeated attempts to showcase them as abusive and warn the players about how unhealthy a relationship with either of them would be.
1st Oct '17 3:56:57 AM someoneintheshadow456
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* ''VisualNovel/{{Mystic Messenger}}'' has Jumin Han's route and his second Bad Ending. The writers' intent was to deliver AnAesop on how treating someone you love like a possession and hoarding them all to yourself is ''not'' true love. If the player chooses to enable Jumin's latent possessive nature, he will [[spoiler: bind your hands and feet, make you wear shoes implanted with a micro GPS, and lock you up in his penthouse [[Literature/FiftyShadesofGrey Christian Grey]] style. There, you will have everything you want except freedom, and he treats you as an object for his own amusement]]. This ending is meant to be seen as horrific as Jumin has chosen to succumb to his emotional issues rather than change for the better. The problem? He's filthy rich, [[TallDarkAndSnarky classy]], and [[MrFanservice very handsome.]] This caused the message to fly over the heads of a [[MisaimedFandom vocal contingent of the fanbase]], with many of them finding this ending kinky, and even going as far as to say that it would be preferable to his Good or Normal endings.

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* ''VisualNovel/{{Mystic Messenger}}'' has Jumin Han's route and his second Bad Ending. The writers' intent was to deliver AnAesop on how treating someone you love like a possession and hoarding them all to yourself is ''not'' true love. If the player chooses to enable Jumin's latent possessive nature, he will [[spoiler: bind your hands and feet, make you wear shoes implanted with a micro GPS, and lock you up in his penthouse [[Literature/FiftyShadesofGrey Christian Grey]] style. There, you will have everything you want except freedom, and he treats you as an object for his own amusement]]. This ending is meant to be seen as horrific as Jumin has chosen to succumb to his emotional issues rather than change for the better. The problem? He's [[ManofWealthAndTaste filthy rich, rich]], [[TallDarkAndSnarky classy]], and [[MrFanservice very handsome.]] This caused the message to fly over the heads of a [[MisaimedFandom vocal contingent of the fanbase]], with many of them finding this ending kinky, and even going as far as to say that it would be preferable to his Good or Normal endings.
** This happened again with the V Route update, this time to [[spoiler: Saeran, AKA: Ray, and Rika]]. The V Route storyline tries to deliver a similar message about the difference between obsession and love. However, by giving [[spoiler: Ray and Rika]] [[FreudianExcuse Freudian Excuses]] and making them AffablyEvil (NOT helped by [[spoiler: the copious amounts of LesYay the protagonist has with Rika, including a Bad Ending wherein they actually get together]), they caused people to ignore the message once again. As a result, you have ''another'' group of fans wanting to romance [[spoiler: Ray and/or Rika]] in spite of Cheritz' repeated attempts to showcase them as abusive and warn the players about how unhealthy a relationship with either of them would be.
10th Sep '17 10:38:23 PM Kalaong
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* ''Literature/ReadyPlayerOne'' lavishly describes the OASIS; a virtual world that is not only the ultimate in entertainment, but a hyper-efficient means communication, education, and even jobs… before condemning the entire concept as, “…a self-imposed prison for humanity. A pleasant place for the world to hide from its problems while human civilization slowly collapses, primarily due to neglect.” There is little consideration that making every intellectual resource ever created by the human race accessible to every human being alive just might be the only reason civilization still exists despite the sad state of the environment and the scarcity of physical resources.
10th Sep '17 9:32:52 PM Adept
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* Deliberately invoked by the entire Lesbian Pulp Erotica paperback market of the 1950s and 1960s. It was a cultural requirement that the lesbian characters end badly, either [[BuryYourGays dying]], getting imprisoned, or turning straight. However, the ''point'' was to sell lesbian erotica, so the "consequences" are always jammed in the last chapter, with the rest of the book glamorizing things as much as possible.
** Also implies that lesbians were butch, dominant, predators, or morally deficient.
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