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Alright, as I mentioned before, the parameters of the trope do not exclude Rau from being a GreaterScopeVillain, especially since other deceased characters in various different anime and other mediums are also examples. Take characters like Palpatine in StarWarsLegends or Marquis de Saint-Evremonde, who are both dead but they still drive the plots of their works through their past actions, impact and legacy. While in Palpatine’s case he does come back a few times, it still doesn’t leave him out of this trope because his presence is constantly felt throughout the works.

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Alright, as I mentioned before, the parameters of the trope do not exclude Rau from being a GreaterScopeVillain, especially since other deceased characters in various different anime and other mediums are also examples. Take characters like Palpatine in StarWarsLegends or Marquis de Saint-Evremonde, who are both dead but they still drive the plots of their works through their past actions, impact and legacy. While in Palpatine\\\'s case he does come back a few times, it still doesn\\\'t leave him out of this trope because his presence is constantly felt throughout the works.

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It also states that it CAN cross over with PredecessorVillain, especially considering that Durandal is in fact implied to be talking with his spirit at one point, who actively tries to continue his corruption of Durandal that he had before when he was alive. Now you can say that this is a hallucination and that\'d be fine, but GSD is very vague on whether it is or isn\'t, same as with Shinn\'s final conversation with Stella in the final episode. Rey also seems to encounter Rau\'s spirit watching them in the final episode. These again are all depicted as ambiguous, so you are correct in the idea that he could be just a hallucination. However, we cannot rule out the possibility that he isn’t either.

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It also states that it CAN cross over with PredecessorVillain, especially considering that Durandal is in fact implied to be talking with his spirit at one point, who actively tries to continue his corruption of Durandal that he had before when he was alive. Now you can say that this is a hallucination and that\\\'d be fine, but GSD is very vague on whether it is or isn\\\'t, same as with Shinn\\\'s final conversation with Stella in the final episode. Rey also seems to encounter Rau\\\'s spirit watching them in the final episode. These again are all depicted as ambiguous, so you are correct in the idea that he could be just a hallucination. However, we cannot rule out the possibility that he isn\\\'t either.

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However, I will concede that you don\'t have to agree with me. Truth be told, one reason I had that trope added in there (and I had wished you would have started this discussion first before involving admins) was that as it stands, only Rey and Durandal are directly stated within his section to have been driven by Rau’s influence and actions, when in fact characters like Kira are also driven by the memories of Rau. Cases could also be made for Athrun and the terrorist group at the beginning who were preaching Patrick Zala\'s creed. Rau was Athrun’s mentor and while Patrick was the one they followed, it still ties back to Rau because Rau had been manipulating the man and as a result his followers. So his actions still drive them even if indirectly. There are plenty of characters within the story who are still affected by Rau\'s actions, but now that you have removed that trope, the effects on other characters besides Rey and Durandal are now also removed. My intention with adding that trope to begin with were to have people think more about Rau\'s influence on other characters like Kira, who was completely absent from Rau\'s section even in spite of the major impact he had on Kira. Sure, Durandal and Rey are the most influenced by Rau in the series, but that still doesn\'t mean others aren\'t. Because while he’s dead, Rau Le Crueset still serves as a major character within the story, but his trope section is pretty shallow in many ways because it only focuses on two other characters within it, when in fact it goes even beyond them.

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However, I will concede that you don\\\'t have to agree with me. Truth be told, one reason I had that trope added in there (and I had wished you would have started this discussion first before involving admins) was that as it stands, only Rey and Durandal are directly stated within his section to have been driven by Rau\\\'s influence and actions, when in fact characters like Kira are also driven by the memories of Rau. Cases could also be made for Athrun and the terrorist group at the beginning who were preaching Patrick Zala\\\'s creed. Rau was Athrun\\\'s mentor and while Patrick was the one they followed, it still ties back to Rau because Rau had been manipulating the man and as a result his followers. So his actions still drive them even if indirectly. There are plenty of characters within the story who are still affected by Rau\\\'s actions, but now that you have removed that trope, the effects on other characters besides Rey and Durandal are now also removed. My intention with adding that trope to begin with were to have people think more about Rau\\\'s influence on other characters like Kira, who was completely absent from Rau\\\'s section even in spite of the major impact he had on Kira. Sure, Durandal and Rey are the most influenced by Rau in the series, but that still doesn\\\'t mean others aren\\\'t. Because while he\\\'s dead, Rau Le Crueset still serves as a major character within the story, but his trope section is pretty shallow in many ways because it only focuses on two other characters within it, when in fact it goes even beyond them.

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