History Characters / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

24th Mar '17 7:53:16 PM harotype
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* BenevolentBoss: She's variously temperamental, professional, or introverted, but Talia cares very much about every single one of her subordinates.


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* TheReveal: In succession, she and Chairman Durandal are [[spoiler:lovers, at least for one early episode]], were [[spoiler:romantically involved more than a decade ago]], and she [[spoiler:is a mother with a young son from the marriage she chose over him]].


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* TheSkeptic: Is there an order of any kind from HQ? Talia will be questioning it, and what's behind it. Professionally, she simply tends to ask "why" more often than not. (Whether this is a good or unfortunate thing for a highly-placed military officer might be another in-show example of nature vs. role.)


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* TheSkeptic: Not as much as Talia, but he frequently questions the logic of her decisions, especially in the first part of the show. Since she ''is'' one, she's pretty benevolent about explaining everything to him.
24th Mar '17 6:45:42 PM harotype
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* ArtisticLicenseBiology: There are a few problems with Gil's reasoning, to say the least. Science knows right now that even people with identical DNA do not express it identically -- not in appearance, health, personality, interests, or anything else. For someone who's as much of an acclaimed genetics expert as Durandal to make that kind of a fundamental error is... both bizarre and hand waved.
** Then there's Meer. The guy set up the lynchpin and major supporter of his plans not only on a lie, but as [[NiceJobFixingItVillain their potential downfall]] seeing as how her hugely successful role as "Lacus" had ''nothing to do with genetics''.
15th Mar '17 11:40:17 AM Triscon42
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%%* ShootTheDog: His take-down of [[spoiler: Shinn and The Destiny]] in the final battle is portaryed in this light.
27th Feb '17 12:16:45 AM Rmpdc
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* DarthVaderClone: He shares a lot of traits with [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin Skywalker]]. They're both young, talented fighters who eventually become well-respected and good at what they do, while at the same time gradually being manipulated by an evil superior (and gradually slipping into darkness in the process). They then become a pawn of the BigBad, and then redeem and realize their mistakes towards the end.



** Arguably one to [[Franchise/StarWars Anakin Skywalker]] as well, in that they're young, talented fighters who eventually become well-respected and good at what they do while gradually being manipulated by an evil superior (and gradually slipping into darkness in the process), finally becoming a pawn of the BigBad, and then redeeming and realizing their mistakes towards the end.
9th Feb '17 8:39:20 PM harotype
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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was. Subverted in the current story where he's perfectly happy to keep her life in constant danger in front-line combat because it suits his purposes.

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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was. Subverted in the current story story, where he's perfectly happy to keep her life in constant danger in front-line combat because it suits his purposes.



* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a giant gold star. Given how this is the only thing to identify her while she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, it has [[TheHolocaust deeply and deliberately unsettling implications]].

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* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a giant gold star. Given how this is the only thing to identify her while she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, it has [[TheHolocaust [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust deeply and deliberately unsettling implications]].
5th Feb '17 5:22:07 PM harotype
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:Her decision to die with Durandal and Rey comes off as this, though it could be justified if one goes by the idea that she feels just as responsible for allowing them to have come that far with their plan as they had even though she had her doubts. She also showed up intending to commit treason and murder; who knows if she had any plans beyond that.]]
* {{Foil}}: She is what Murrue Ramius would've become had she chosen [[ToBeLawfulOrGood to be loyal instead of listening to her conscience]]. It comes with an incredible dose of skepticism. And anger. Acknowledged by Talia herself when she expresses the wish for Murrue to meet her young son, someday.

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:Her decision to die with Durandal and Rey comes off as this, though it could be justified if one goes by the idea that she feels just as responsible for allowing them to have come that far with their plan as they had even though she had her doubts. She also showed up intending to commit treason and murder; who knows if she had any plans beyond that.]]
* {{Foil}}: She is what Murrue Ramius would've become had she chosen [[ToBeLawfulOrGood to be loyal instead of listening to her conscience]]. It comes with an incredible dose of skepticism. And anger. Acknowledged by Talia herself when she expresses the wish for Murrue to meet [[spoiler:meet her young son, someday.someday]].
* FreudianSlip: In the original, she does refer to Arthur once the way a wife usually does to her husband. Japanese fandom noticed the ShipTease.



* LikeAnOldMarriedCouple: Arthur's constantly at her side and she has a mix of affection and annoyance for him, so they come off as this.



* ParentalSubstitute: Becomes this to Rey at the very end, in the most tragic way possible.

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* ParentalSubstitute: Becomes this to Rey [[spoiler:Rey at the very end, in the most tragic way possible.possible]].



* ShipTease: With Arthur. Even the fact that she calls him "Arthur" implies more of a degree of familiarity than strict professionalism (not that their relationship is terribly professional to begin with).



* WomanScorned: Ends up as this to the Chairman, though [[spoiler: she's not goaded into action so much by her personal feelings as she is horrified by the monster he's become.]]



* AccentAdaptation: He has no accent in the original, but in the English dub (likely due to his [[KingArthur name]], quirky personality, etc.) he gains a British-Australian one (and loses his {{Catchphrase}}).



* TheCassandra: "Impulse [[spoiler:can beat the Freedom"? "If [[BigBad someone]] doesn't get shot, this war is never going to end"? "Hey, maybe it's NOT a good idea to go after TheChosenMany]] on the ''Archangel"?''

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* TheCassandra: "Impulse [[spoiler:can beat the Freedom"? "If [[BigBad someone]] doesn't get shot, this war is never going to end"? "Hey, maybe it's NOT a good idea to go after TheChosenMany]] on the ''Archangel"?''''Archangel"?'' [[spoiler:This is his non-PluckyComicRelief role.]] Arthur tends to be rather startlingly accurate when he predicts something, but for various reasons, he's not terribly effective at getting taken seriously.



* FirstNameBasis: Talia addresses him this way, and it's noticeable because ZAFT is more of a LastNameBasis kind of place.



* LikeAnOldMarriedCouple: His relationship with Talia, and it's very much played for all the comedy inherent.
* MildlyMilitary: He gets called by his first name, yelled at by his boss, and his personality makes him seem like he's not much of a soldier, but he ''does'' know what he's doing and can get strict about it.



* NonActionGuy: Subverted. He may not pilot a mobile suit, but he's the first officer and ''[[CaptainObvious combat commander of a battleship]]''.

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* NonActionGuy: Subverted. He may not pilot a mobile suit, but he's the first officer and ''[[CaptainObvious combat commander of a battleship]]''.battleship.



* OfficerAndAGentleman: He may be periodically goofy, but Arthur's nothing but devoted and chivalrous.
* PluckyComicRelief: In a universe that's as much of a CrapsackWorld as the Cosmic Era, Arthur embodies this.
* ShipTease: With Talia, who else?



* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was.

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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was. Subverted in the current story where he's perfectly happy to keep her life in constant danger in front-line combat because it suits his purposes.



* {{Jerkass}}: He's a smug, vain, manipulative ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and/or his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.

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* {{Jerkass}}: He's a smug, vain, manipulative ControlFreak who shows almost [[LackOfEmpathy no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and/or his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) plans]] while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.


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* LackOfEmpathy: He can ''fake'' it pretty well when it suits his purposes, but at the end of the day, he's not really interested in, or affected by, anyone else's feelings. Arguably hurts him just as much as his need for control.
5th Feb '17 6:18:13 AM Morgenthaler
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!!!Voice Actors: Creator/MamiKoyama (Japanese), VenusTerzo (English)

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!!!Voice Actors: Creator/MamiKoyama (Japanese), VenusTerzo Creator/VenusTerzo (English)
4th Feb '17 5:57:00 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CombatPragmatist: When he's actually using his head in a fight Shinn's shown to be remarkably resourceful and has a good grasp of combat tactics. He makes good use of his equipment (such as Impulse's Silhouette packs and the Destiny's variety of weapons), and can be surprisingly creative at times by coming up with unconventional uses for the resources at his disposal. [[note]]A few examples: tossing the Impulse's shield past an enemy then bouncing shots off it to hit them from behind; destroying a shielded enemy command post by dropping an [[GoingCritical exploding]] enemy mobile suit into it like a giant grenade; taking a page from [[MobileSuitVictoryGundam Uso Evin's]] book and using the [[CombiningMecha Impulse's modules]] to dodge attacks or letting a part take a hit then either jettisoning it or ''flinging it'' at his opponent[[/note]] Above all else he's driven, and willing to do whatever it takes to beat his opponents. Add access to [[SuperMode SEED Mode]] and it can make him a ''very'' dangerous opponent. However, Shinn's volatile personality means that this side of him comes and goes (see LeeroyJenkins).

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* CombatPragmatist: When he's actually using his head in a fight Shinn's shown to be remarkably resourceful and has a good grasp of combat tactics. He makes good use of his equipment (such as Impulse's Silhouette packs and the Destiny's variety of weapons), and can be surprisingly creative at times by coming up with unconventional uses for the resources at his disposal. [[note]]A few examples: tossing the Impulse's shield past an enemy then bouncing shots off it to hit them from behind; destroying a shielded enemy command post by dropping an [[GoingCritical exploding]] enemy mobile suit into it like a giant grenade; taking a page from [[MobileSuitVictoryGundam Uso Evin's]] book and using the [[CombiningMecha Impulse's modules]] to dodge attacks or letting a part take a hit then either jettisoning it or ''flinging it'' at his opponent[[/note]] Above all else he's driven, and willing to do whatever it takes to beat his opponents. Add access to [[SuperMode SEED Mode]] and it can make him a ''very'' dangerous opponent. However, Shinn's volatile personality means that this side of him comes and goes (see LeeroyJenkins).goes.
4th Feb '17 5:51:19 PM harotype
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* {{Jerkass}}: He's a vain, manipulative {{Narcissist}} ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.

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* {{Jerkass}}: He's a smug, vain, manipulative {{Narcissist}} ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and and/or his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.



* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a gold star. Given how she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, this has [[TheHolocaust deeply unsettling implications]].

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* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a giant gold star. Given how this is the only thing to identify her while she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, this it has [[TheHolocaust deeply and deliberately unsettling implications]].
4th Feb '17 5:25:51 PM harotype
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Right off the bat, he calls Cagalli "Princess", instead of her preferred (and proper) title of "Chief Representative Athha". When Cagalli says "can you stop?" he responds "of course, Representative Athha"... and then goes right back to doing it. It's remarkably effective at showing his [[{{Foreshadowing}} utter inability to view people as anything other than his pre-assigned roles]], or [[{{Narcissist}} take into account another person's wishes]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his general asshole tendencies]], as well as neatly subverting the "nice and thoughtful guy" image he takes such care to project.



* {{Jerkass}}: He's a vain, manipulative {{Narcissist}} ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.
* KarmicDeath: He's [[spoiler:shot by an illegal product of the lab where he used to work because he didn't bother to recognize Rey's individuality or value as a person,]] and Kira Yamato did. Doubles as LaserGuidedKarma. Also a MythologyGag to anyone who has ever seen the UC series, considering how [[spoiler:a "white kid" named Rey shoots a guy with Char Aznable's voice]].



* {{Narcissist}}: Durandal desires the approval of others while actually caring very little about them, their wishes, or their needs. He's a textbook case, as well as a SpiritualSuccessor to [[spoiler:the Mendel colony narcissist of the last show, Al Da Fllaga]].



* ParentalSubstitute: To Rey.

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* ParentalSubstitute: To Rey. He doesn't do very much on his end.



* PuttingOnTheReich: It's not immediately apparrent, but dye his trenchcoat and jackboots black, and ''voila''!

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* PuttingOnTheReich: It's not immediately apparrent, apparent, but dye his trenchcoat and jackboots black, and ''voila''!''voila''! [[SarcasmMode (His willingness to murder anyone who doesn't fit in with his master plan also helps.)]]



* DealWithTheDevil: She got to be her idol and have fortune, fame, beauty, and a purpose to boot. Too bad it was offered by a guy with extremely sinister motives for the human race.
* {{Expy}}: Of the Hans Christian Andersen version of ''The Little Mermaid''. (A mermaid is "Meerjungfrau" in German.) She gave up her voice for her dream. It's even represented in one of the ''SEED Character Theater'' picture dramas.



* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a gold star. Given how she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, this has [[TheHolocaust deeply unsettling implications]].



* MeaningfulName: Her name has two meanings: first, it means "lake" in Dutch, which [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic symbolizes]] her as Lacus's (whose name also means "lake", this time in Latin) doppelganger. Second, her name is a phonetic spelling of the English word, "mirror", to symbolize her as Lacus's BodyDouble.

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* MeaningfulName: Her name has two meanings: first, it means "lake" in Dutch, which [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic symbolizes]] her as Lacus's (whose name also means "lake", this time in Latin) doppelganger. Second, her name is a phonetic spelling of plays on the English word, word "mirror", to symbolize her as Lacus's BodyDouble.



* MsFanservice: Pretty? Yes. Busty? Yes. With revealing wardrobe? Yes. Bubbly and cheerful, at least on the outside? Yes...

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* MsFanservice: Pretty? Yes. Busty? Yes. With revealing wardrobe? Yes. Bubbly and cheerful, at least on the outside? Yes... {{Invoked}} by Durandal, both to gain an audience and also to get "Lacus" to be seen as merely eye-candy.


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** She certainly ends up as this once she believes she's no longer needed, again, but Meer genuinely believed in the Chairman and that what she was doing would provide a better future for everyone. Also, there's nary a teenage girl who ''wouldn't'' accept the amazing, life-changing deal she was offered.
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