History Characters / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

9th Feb '17 8:39:20 PM harotype
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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was. Subverted in the current story where he's perfectly happy to keep her life in constant danger in front-line combat because it suits his purposes.

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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was. Subverted in the current story story, where he's perfectly happy to keep her life in constant danger in front-line combat because it suits his purposes.



* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a giant gold star. Given how this is the only thing to identify her while she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, it has [[TheHolocaust deeply and deliberately unsettling implications]].

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* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a giant gold star. Given how this is the only thing to identify her while she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, it has [[TheHolocaust [[UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust deeply and deliberately unsettling implications]].
5th Feb '17 5:22:07 PM harotype
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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:Her decision to die with Durandal and Rey comes off as this, though it could be justified if one goes by the idea that she feels just as responsible for allowing them to have come that far with their plan as they had even though she had her doubts. She also showed up intending to commit treason and murder; who knows if she had any plans beyond that.]]
* {{Foil}}: She is what Murrue Ramius would've become had she chosen [[ToBeLawfulOrGood to be loyal instead of listening to her conscience]]. It comes with an incredible dose of skepticism. And anger. Acknowledged by Talia herself when she expresses the wish for Murrue to meet her young son, someday.

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* DrivenToSuicide: [[spoiler:Her decision to die with Durandal and Rey comes off as this, though it could be justified if one goes by the idea that she feels just as responsible for allowing them to have come that far with their plan as they had even though she had her doubts. She also showed up intending to commit treason and murder; who knows if she had any plans beyond that.]]
* {{Foil}}: She is what Murrue Ramius would've become had she chosen [[ToBeLawfulOrGood to be loyal instead of listening to her conscience]]. It comes with an incredible dose of skepticism. And anger. Acknowledged by Talia herself when she expresses the wish for Murrue to meet [[spoiler:meet her young son, someday.someday]].
* FreudianSlip: In the original, she does refer to Arthur once the way a wife usually does to her husband. Japanese fandom noticed the ShipTease.



* LikeAnOldMarriedCouple: Arthur's constantly at her side and she has a mix of affection and annoyance for him, so they come off as this.



* ParentalSubstitute: Becomes this to Rey at the very end, in the most tragic way possible.

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* ParentalSubstitute: Becomes this to Rey [[spoiler:Rey at the very end, in the most tragic way possible.possible]].



* ShipTease: With Arthur. Even the fact that she calls him "Arthur" implies more of a degree of familiarity than strict professionalism (not that their relationship is terribly professional to begin with).



* WomanScorned: Ends up as this to the Chairman, though [[spoiler: she's not goaded into action so much by her personal feelings as she is horrified by the monster he's become.]]



* AccentAdaptation: He has no accent in the original, but in the English dub (likely due to his [[KingArthur name]], quirky personality, etc.) he gains a British-Australian one (and loses his {{Catchphrase}}).



* TheCassandra: "Impulse [[spoiler:can beat the Freedom"? "If [[BigBad someone]] doesn't get shot, this war is never going to end"? "Hey, maybe it's NOT a good idea to go after TheChosenMany]] on the ''Archangel"?''

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* TheCassandra: "Impulse [[spoiler:can beat the Freedom"? "If [[BigBad someone]] doesn't get shot, this war is never going to end"? "Hey, maybe it's NOT a good idea to go after TheChosenMany]] on the ''Archangel"?''''Archangel"?'' [[spoiler:This is his non-PluckyComicRelief role.]] Arthur tends to be rather startlingly accurate when he predicts something, but for various reasons, he's not terribly effective at getting taken seriously.



* FirstNameBasis: Talia addresses him this way, and it's noticeable because ZAFT is more of a LastNameBasis kind of place.



* LikeAnOldMarriedCouple: His relationship with Talia, and it's very much played for all the comedy inherent.
* MildlyMilitary: He gets called by his first name, yelled at by his boss, and his personality makes him seem like he's not much of a soldier, but he ''does'' know what he's doing and can get strict about it.



* NonActionGuy: Subverted. He may not pilot a mobile suit, but he's the first officer and ''[[CaptainObvious combat commander of a battleship]]''.

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* NonActionGuy: Subverted. He may not pilot a mobile suit, but he's the first officer and ''[[CaptainObvious combat commander of a battleship]]''.battleship.



* OfficerAndAGentleman: He may be periodically goofy, but Arthur's nothing but devoted and chivalrous.
* PluckyComicRelief: In a universe that's as much of a CrapsackWorld as the Cosmic Era, Arthur embodies this.
* ShipTease: With Talia, who else?



* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was.

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* IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: In the backstory. It actually helped to screw him up even more than he already was. Subverted in the current story where he's perfectly happy to keep her life in constant danger in front-line combat because it suits his purposes.



* {{Jerkass}}: He's a smug, vain, manipulative ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and/or his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.

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* {{Jerkass}}: He's a smug, vain, manipulative ControlFreak who shows almost [[LackOfEmpathy no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and/or his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) plans]] while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.


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* LackOfEmpathy: He can ''fake'' it pretty well when it suits his purposes, but at the end of the day, he's not really interested in, or affected by, anyone else's feelings. Arguably hurts him just as much as his need for control.
5th Feb '17 6:18:13 AM Morgenthaler
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!!!Voice Actors: Creator/MamiKoyama (Japanese), VenusTerzo (English)

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!!!Voice Actors: Creator/MamiKoyama (Japanese), VenusTerzo Creator/VenusTerzo (English)
4th Feb '17 5:57:00 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* CombatPragmatist: When he's actually using his head in a fight Shinn's shown to be remarkably resourceful and has a good grasp of combat tactics. He makes good use of his equipment (such as Impulse's Silhouette packs and the Destiny's variety of weapons), and can be surprisingly creative at times by coming up with unconventional uses for the resources at his disposal. [[note]]A few examples: tossing the Impulse's shield past an enemy then bouncing shots off it to hit them from behind; destroying a shielded enemy command post by dropping an [[GoingCritical exploding]] enemy mobile suit into it like a giant grenade; taking a page from [[MobileSuitVictoryGundam Uso Evin's]] book and using the [[CombiningMecha Impulse's modules]] to dodge attacks or letting a part take a hit then either jettisoning it or ''flinging it'' at his opponent[[/note]] Above all else he's driven, and willing to do whatever it takes to beat his opponents. Add access to [[SuperMode SEED Mode]] and it can make him a ''very'' dangerous opponent. However, Shinn's volatile personality means that this side of him comes and goes (see LeeroyJenkins).

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* CombatPragmatist: When he's actually using his head in a fight Shinn's shown to be remarkably resourceful and has a good grasp of combat tactics. He makes good use of his equipment (such as Impulse's Silhouette packs and the Destiny's variety of weapons), and can be surprisingly creative at times by coming up with unconventional uses for the resources at his disposal. [[note]]A few examples: tossing the Impulse's shield past an enemy then bouncing shots off it to hit them from behind; destroying a shielded enemy command post by dropping an [[GoingCritical exploding]] enemy mobile suit into it like a giant grenade; taking a page from [[MobileSuitVictoryGundam Uso Evin's]] book and using the [[CombiningMecha Impulse's modules]] to dodge attacks or letting a part take a hit then either jettisoning it or ''flinging it'' at his opponent[[/note]] Above all else he's driven, and willing to do whatever it takes to beat his opponents. Add access to [[SuperMode SEED Mode]] and it can make him a ''very'' dangerous opponent. However, Shinn's volatile personality means that this side of him comes and goes (see LeeroyJenkins).goes.
4th Feb '17 5:51:19 PM harotype
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* {{Jerkass}}: He's a vain, manipulative {{Narcissist}} ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.

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* {{Jerkass}}: He's a smug, vain, manipulative {{Narcissist}} ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and and/or his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.



* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a gold star. Given how she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, this has [[TheHolocaust deeply unsettling implications]].

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* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a giant gold star. Given how this is the only thing to identify her while she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, this it has [[TheHolocaust deeply and deliberately unsettling implications]].
4th Feb '17 5:25:51 PM harotype
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* EstablishingCharacterMoment: Right off the bat, he calls Cagalli "Princess", instead of her preferred (and proper) title of "Chief Representative Athha". When Cagalli says "can you stop?" he responds "of course, Representative Athha"... and then goes right back to doing it. It's remarkably effective at showing his [[{{Foreshadowing}} utter inability to view people as anything other than his pre-assigned roles]], or [[{{Narcissist}} take into account another person's wishes]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking his general asshole tendencies]], as well as neatly subverting the "nice and thoughtful guy" image he takes such care to project.



* {{Jerkass}}: He's a vain, manipulative {{Narcissist}} ControlFreak who shows almost no regard even for the people who are most devoted to him and his plans (Rey, Meer, Talia...) while simultaneously demanding the approval of the entire world. And this is before he busts out the giant [=WMD=]s.
* KarmicDeath: He's [[spoiler:shot by an illegal product of the lab where he used to work because he didn't bother to recognize Rey's individuality or value as a person,]] and Kira Yamato did. Doubles as LaserGuidedKarma. Also a MythologyGag to anyone who has ever seen the UC series, considering how [[spoiler:a "white kid" named Rey shoots a guy with Char Aznable's voice]].



* {{Narcissist}}: Durandal desires the approval of others while actually caring very little about them, their wishes, or their needs. He's a textbook case, as well as a SpiritualSuccessor to [[spoiler:the Mendel colony narcissist of the last show, Al Da Fllaga]].



* ParentalSubstitute: To Rey.

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* ParentalSubstitute: To Rey. He doesn't do very much on his end.



* PuttingOnTheReich: It's not immediately apparrent, but dye his trenchcoat and jackboots black, and ''voila''!

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* PuttingOnTheReich: It's not immediately apparrent, apparent, but dye his trenchcoat and jackboots black, and ''voila''!''voila''! [[SarcasmMode (His willingness to murder anyone who doesn't fit in with his master plan also helps.)]]



* DealWithTheDevil: She got to be her idol and have fortune, fame, beauty, and a purpose to boot. Too bad it was offered by a guy with extremely sinister motives for the human race.
* {{Expy}}: Of the Hans Christian Andersen version of ''The Little Mermaid''. (A mermaid is "Meerjungfrau" in German.) She gave up her voice for her dream. It's even represented in one of the ''SEED Character Theater'' picture dramas.



* HairDecs: Lacus's iconic hairclip is the only thing Durandal didn't feel the need to replicate. Meer's is a gold star. Given how she works for ANaziByAnyOtherName, this has [[TheHolocaust deeply unsettling implications]].



* MeaningfulName: Her name has two meanings: first, it means "lake" in Dutch, which [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic symbolizes]] her as Lacus's (whose name also means "lake", this time in Latin) doppelganger. Second, her name is a phonetic spelling of the English word, "mirror", to symbolize her as Lacus's BodyDouble.

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* MeaningfulName: Her name has two meanings: first, it means "lake" in Dutch, which [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic symbolizes]] her as Lacus's (whose name also means "lake", this time in Latin) doppelganger. Second, her name is a phonetic spelling of plays on the English word, word "mirror", to symbolize her as Lacus's BodyDouble.



* MsFanservice: Pretty? Yes. Busty? Yes. With revealing wardrobe? Yes. Bubbly and cheerful, at least on the outside? Yes...

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* MsFanservice: Pretty? Yes. Busty? Yes. With revealing wardrobe? Yes. Bubbly and cheerful, at least on the outside? Yes... {{Invoked}} by Durandal, both to gain an audience and also to get "Lacus" to be seen as merely eye-candy.


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** She certainly ends up as this once she believes she's no longer needed, again, but Meer genuinely believed in the Chairman and that what she was doing would provide a better future for everyone. Also, there's nary a teenage girl who ''wouldn't'' accept the amazing, life-changing deal she was offered.
18th Jan '17 1:14:35 PM triscion
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%%** Shinn doesn't care much about honor or fair play, just ''winning''.



* CombatPragmatist: Shinn doesn't care much about honor or fair play, just ''winning''. He makes good use of his equipment (such as Impulse's Silhouette packs and the Destiny's variety of weapons), and can be surprisingly creative at times by coming up with unconventional uses for the resources at his disposal. [[note]]A few examples: tossing the Impulse's shield past an enemy then bouncing shots off it to hit them from behind; destroying a shielded enemy command post by dropping an [[GoingCritical exploding]] enemy mobile suit into it like a giant grenade; taking a page from [[MobileSuitVictoryGundam Uso Evin's]] book and using the [[CombiningMecha Impulse's modules]] to dodge attacks or letting a part take a hit then either jettisoning it or ''flinging it'' at his opponent[[/note]] Above all else, he's very driven, and willing to do whatever it takes to beat his opponents. Add access to [[SuperMode SEED Mode]] and it can make him a ''very'' dangerous opponent. However, Shinn's volatile personality means that this side of him comes and goes; just as often he'll use the "Blunt Force" approach, with mixed results. This latter part is what gets him in trouble against the ''Strike Freedom'' [[spoiler: and later the ''Infinite Justice'']].

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* CombatPragmatist: Shinn doesn't care much about honor or fair play, just ''winning''.When he's actually using his head in a fight Shinn's shown to be remarkably resourceful and has a good grasp of combat tactics. He makes good use of his equipment (such as Impulse's Silhouette packs and the Destiny's variety of weapons), and can be surprisingly creative at times by coming up with unconventional uses for the resources at his disposal. [[note]]A few examples: tossing the Impulse's shield past an enemy then bouncing shots off it to hit them from behind; destroying a shielded enemy command post by dropping an [[GoingCritical exploding]] enemy mobile suit into it like a giant grenade; taking a page from [[MobileSuitVictoryGundam Uso Evin's]] book and using the [[CombiningMecha Impulse's modules]] to dodge attacks or letting a part take a hit then either jettisoning it or ''flinging it'' at his opponent[[/note]] Above all else, else he's very driven, and willing to do whatever it takes to beat his opponents. Add access to [[SuperMode SEED Mode]] and it can make him a ''very'' dangerous opponent. However, Shinn's volatile personality means that this side of him comes and goes; just as often he'll use the "Blunt Force" approach, with mixed results. This latter part is what gets him in trouble against the ''Strike Freedom'' [[spoiler: and later the ''Infinite Justice'']]. goes (see LeeroyJenkins).
17th Jan '17 7:03:37 AM mega95gox
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-->''"This isn't a ZAKU you're fighting, pal!"''

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-->''"This isn't a ZAKU you're fighting, pal!"''
ZAKU, pal! Not a ZAKU!"''



* BadassBoast: "This isn't a ZAKU you're fighting, pal!"

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* BadassBoast: "This isn't a ZAKU you're fighting, pal!"ZAKU, pal! Not a ZAKU!"
17th Jan '17 6:57:02 AM mega95gox
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-->''"This is no ZAKU, pal. No ZAKU!"''

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-->''"This is no ZAKU, pal. No ZAKU!"''
isn't a ZAKU you're fighting, pal!"''



* BadassBoast: "This is no ZAKU, pal. NO ZAKU!"

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* BadassBoast: "This is no ZAKU, pal. NO ZAKU!"isn't a ZAKU you're fighting, pal!"
17th Jan '17 6:48:31 AM mega95gox
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The show's initial protagonist. His family was killed attempting to flee when the Earth Alliance invaded Orb during the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed First Bloody Valentine War]]; he became a refugee and ended up in the [=PLANTs=]. He blames Orb (and the Athha family in particular) for their deaths, and carries a lot of hatred for both. He joined ZAFT and became a Redcoat alongside Rey Za Burrel and Lunamaria Hawke as the pilot of the Impulse, the ''Minerva'''s flagship Gundam.

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The show's series' initial protagonist. His family was killed attempting to flee when the Earth Alliance invaded Orb during the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSeed First Bloody Valentine War]]; he became a refugee and ended up in the [=PLANTs=]. He blames Orb (and the Athha family in particular) for their deaths, and carries a lot of hatred for both. He joined ZAFT and became a Redcoat alongside Rey Za Burrel and Lunamaria Hawke as the pilot of the Impulse, the ''Minerva'''s flagship Gundam.



A veteran of the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED first Bloody Valentine War]], and an old friend (and enemy) of Kira Yamato's. He rejoins ZAFT when war breaks out once again and is assigned to the ''Minerva''. His accomplishments and fame earn him the adoration of much of the crew, apart from the surly Shinn. He initially opposes his old friends on the ''Archangel'', citing their actions as doing nothing but making the conflict worse.

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The ''true'' main protagonist of the series. A veteran of the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED first Bloody Valentine War]], and an old friend (and enemy) of Kira Yamato's. He rejoins ZAFT when war breaks out once again and is assigned to the ''Minerva''. His accomplishments and fame earn him the adoration of much of the crew, apart from the surly Shinn. He initially opposes his old friends on the ''Archangel'', citing their actions as doing nothing but making the conflict worse.
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