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\\\'\\\'\\\"When was the last time you saw a Real Life soldier wearing an EVA suit as NBC protection in a combat zone? Or a Fed? You don\\\'t, because they are not suitable for these situations.\\\"\\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'Starfleet makes phasers specifically for use with EVA suits. \\\'\\\'

My point exactly. They have no NBC defenses for combat situations. They only have a way to give limited combat ability to civilian NBC. If you cannot even understand the difference between a tank and a car with a gun taped to it, what are you doing on this site?

\\\'\\\'http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Subspace_bubble - This personal forcefield is expressly used to protect the wearer from the environment.\\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Subspace_force_field - A modification of the above idea, these personal forcefields were used to separate the wearers from distortions in time. \\\'\\\'

Judging from the links provided, you could just as well insist they can wear their shuttles into combat. No indication it can be used as anti-weapon defense.

\\\'\\\'http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Life_support_belt - These were used to protect the user from environments as extreme as the vacuum of space, so they are obviously immune to NBC attacks.\\\'\\\'

Canonicity is debatable. After all, it\\\'s never seen in other series.

\\\'\\\'Thus, these two claims... \\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'\\\"The Federation troopers should fall easily to nerve-gas grenades thanks to their lack of environmental protection suits, and stormtrooper armour protects its wearers from nerve gas.\\\"\\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'...are both untrue. \\\'\\\'

The second was true back then. The first is most definitely true, since we see explicitly that no troops have such protection when facing an enemy.

\\\'\\\' \\\"There is no evidence whatsoever that the Federation has had any kind of armoured vehicle in its entire history.\\\"\\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'Because Earth, and the countless other planets in the Federation never had wars in their entire history, right? Wrong.\\\'\\\'

Yup, we can WMG, but no evidence.

\\\'\\\'Exploring strange new worlds rarely calls for tanks. Nevertheless, some are mentioned in the background:\\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ground_assault_vehicle\\\'\\\'

So, despite them fighting full scale wars during the series, the only combat vehicle ever mentioned is a Klingon one. Doesn\\\'t really work in your favour.

\\\'\\\' \\\"Beaming the captain away: never watched the movie\\\"\\\'\\\'

\\\'\\\'Then you should at the very least look up the scene before daring to speak: Data had to break Picard out, and they escaped in a Reman Attack Fighter they stole from the hangar deck. \\\'\\\'

So, they can beam a person off an unshielded, unprepared vessel after a few hours near it to prepare. A non sequitur; we\\\'re discussing combat.

\\\'\\\'\\\"When was the last time you saw a Real Life soldier wearing an EVA suit as NBC protection in a combat zone? Or a Fed? You don\\\'t, because they are not suitable for these situations.\\\"

Starfleet makes phasers specifically for use with EVA suits. \\\'\\\'

My point exactly. They have no NBC defenses for combat situations. They only have a way to give limited combat ability to civilian NBC. If you cannot even understand the difference between a tank and a car with a gun taped to it, what are you doing on this site?

\\\'\\\'http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Subspace_bubble - This personal forcefield is expressly used to protect the wearer from the environment.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Subspace_force_field - A modification of the above idea, these personal forcefields were used to separate the wearers from distortions in time. \\\'\\\'

Judging from the links provided, you could just as well insist they can wear their shuttles into combat. No indication it can be used as anti-weapon defense.

\\\'\\\'http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Life_support_belt - These were used to protect the user from environments as extreme as the vacuum of space, so they are obviously immune to NBC attacks.\\\'\\\'

Canonicity is debatable. After all, it\\\'s never seen in other series.

\\\'\\\'Thus, these two claims...

\\\"The Federation troopers should fall easily to nerve-gas grenades thanks to their lack of environmental protection suits, and stormtrooper armour protects its wearers from nerve gas.\\\"

...are both untrue. \\\'\\\'

The second was true back then. The first is most definitely true, since we see explicitly that no troops have such protection when facing an enemy.

\\\'\\\' \\\"There is no evidence whatsoever that the Federation has had any kind of armoured vehicle in its entire history.\\\"

Because Earth, and the countless other planets in the Federation never had wars in their entire history, right? Wrong.\\\'\\\'

Yup, we can WMG, but no evidence.

\\\'\\\'Exploring strange new worlds rarely calls for tanks. Nevertheless, some are mentioned in the background:

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Ground_assault_vehicle\\\'\\\'

So, despite them fighting full scale wars during the series, the only combat vehicle ever mentioned is a Klingon one. Doesn\\\'t really work in your favour.

\\\'\\\' \\\"Beaming the captain away: never watched the movie\\\"

Then you should at the very least look up the scene before daring to speak: Data had to break Picard out, and they escaped in a Reman Attack Fighter they stole from the hangar deck. \\\'\\\'

So, they can beam a person off an unshielded, unprepared vessel after a few hours near it to prepare. A non sequitur; we\\\'re discussing combat.