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SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#51: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:20:31 PM

That could be one possible interpretation. Given the vast proliferation of male and female symbols, however, I'm starting to wonder if these two women represent the protagonist's ideal woman and her source in real life—and whether or not this game is Atlus' answer to Silent Hill.

This is the first time I've analyzed a trailer so obsessively; it's worrying me to no end.

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Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
#52: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:23:25 PM

^^ Learn something new everyday! Though it would have been pretty amusing for there to be castrated male sheep wandering around.

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Taco Since: Jan, 2001
#53: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:23:26 PM

If Atlus can make stripclubs terrifying in a JRPG, I'm scared what they'll do if this becomes a fullon survival-horror game.

SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#54: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:29:42 PM

I wonder what the actual gameplay will be like; after all, the trailer didn't exactly go out of its way to show us much of the nightmare world.

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Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
Indigo_Dingo Since: Dec, 1969
#56: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:39:47 PM

For some reason, that scene on the stairs reminded me of Disgaea.

Meophist from Toronto, Canada Since: May, 2010
#57: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:52:54 PM

On that note, does anyone know what she was screaming at the end?

Zettai ni yurusenai kara!!

Rough translation:
...or I won't forgive you!!

edited 19th Aug '10 7:53:13 PM by Meophist

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SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#58: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:56:45 PM

"...or I won't forgive you!", eh?

The plot thickens. What sort of relationship does she have with the protagonist, I wonder?

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Colonial1.1 Crazed Lawrencian from The Marvelous River City Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
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#59: Aug 19th 2010 at 7:59:30 PM

Maybe the glasses woman is the Unlucky Childhood Friend?

-shrug-

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Meophist from Toronto, Canada Since: May, 2010
#60: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:02:50 PM

Come to think of it, it could also be translated to "I won't ever forgive you!"

That said, I wouldn't bother trying to gleen to much information out of that one. It's a pretty standard Stock Phrase that could be used to mean almost anything.

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SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#61: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:08:26 PM

But it's so much fun! I haven't seen this much symbolism in a single trailer since I don't know when!

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Colonial1.1 Crazed Lawrencian from The Marvelous River City Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
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#62: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:10:16 PM

Who do you think she is, O speculative Rana?

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Indigo_Dingo Since: Dec, 1969
#63: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:12:35 PM

Shes a genderswapped timelord.

C'mon, with this much WMG going on, someone was gonna say it eventually

Y'know, I think this is going to be the first game to get its own WMG page before a main page.

SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#64: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:16:33 PM

Nice pun there, Colonial.

Personally, I feel inclined to agree with you in that she is the protagonist's Unlucky Childhood Friend. I feel that, like a certain other character from a Mega Ten game, she has serious issues that are somehow brought to the fore by whatever is going on, leading to the fracturing of her psyche and identity into two people—herself, as whatever and whoever she actually is, and Catherine, which is who she beleives the protagonist wants her to be. Furthermore, it occurs to me that she may be a closet Yandere, and that her screaming "[... or] I'll never forgive you!" is the prelude to a sudden, tragic and violent turn of events.

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Pipman from Spin Zone Since: Jun, 2010
#65: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:19:19 PM

So how often can he do it with her? Is it like entering the TV from Persona 4. Like he just has to stick his Waa-waa in her Cha-Cha and he's taken to a nightmarish otherworld to solve a murder or something?

Can he take other people with him into her vaginer? Are there separate worlds for the differ "approaches" a guy might take? Do they jump in once he's opened the 'gina portal or do they have to help before they're allowed in?

Indigo_Dingo Since: Dec, 1969
#66: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:25:02 PM

I'm in the contrast - this woman isn't real, shes an embodiment of his solidarity and loneliness, a created agressive woman who would make the moves for him. As he begins to slip further into his delusions, he sees her more and more, even waking up in bed with her (hence the scream while they're in bed). He lacks an anchor to reality, and is falling deeper and deeper into this madness. Partly because there's no reason for him to not.

Now, the girls not real, but she was. She's the Maria to the original girls Mary. This girl was his first love, but she was raped and killed years ago. He never got over it, but just supressed his feelings. He's been emotionally distant for years since, until he found her ina dream.

Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
#67: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:28:30 PM

I like that. It would explain the significance of the trailer alternating between him and her and him and two others at a table around 1:40. And it'd be appropriately twisted.

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i-kun Persona! from Dark Hour Since: May, 2010
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#68: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:34:25 PM

Isnt the ram like a symbol of devil or something?

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#71: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:38:07 PM

Since you guys seem to like this trailer so much, I translated the first part of it for you, let's see if it works:

Naa, Catherine, Shinuyume-toka-tte, mitakoto aru? -> Hey, Catherine, have you ever had a dying dream? Shindeku Yume, Korosareteku...toka iika. -> A dream where you die, or rather... get killed.

Naikana... Korosu Yume Arukedo. -> Not really... Although I do have dreams where I kill.

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SullenFrog Wait, he isn't dead! Shia Surprise! from Voormithadreth Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: I wanna know about these strangers like me
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#72: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:38:39 PM

A ram—or rather, The Ram—is an alternate name for the constellation Aries. And, according to The Other Wiki, in the zodiac Aries is considered a "masculine", positive and extroverted sign.

Quite the opposite of our protagonist, wouldn't you say?

edited 19th Aug '10 8:39:41 PM by SullenFrog

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Colonial1.1 Crazed Lawrencian from The Marvelous River City Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: In season
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#73: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:39:47 PM

Oooh, that adds to the possibility of her being a predator, doesn't it?

Indeed, such a bishie is he.

edited 19th Aug '10 8:40:17 PM by Colonial1.1

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Penguin4Senate Since: Aug, 2009
#74: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:47:14 PM

I do wonder why it's a sheep and not a goat. My entirely premature WMG is that it represents guilt or gullibility.

Indigo_Dingo Since: Dec, 1969
#75: Aug 19th 2010 at 8:50:51 PM

^^ Considering its explicitly masculinity, not just dominance, I don't think the Rames are referring to her.


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