Catherine- from the creators of Persona

Which is interesting because IS had the only unambiguous Gay Option in the series.

Making jokes about transpeople has just always been easy laughs. All this talk lately reminded me of the Simpsons bit with "squeeze every penny!" The guy giving the speech talked about how he got a yacht with beautiful women cheap and easy because the yacht smells like cat pee and the women used to be men.

It's weird and different to a lot of people and that adds up to easy comedy which is what IS was doing.

Homosexuality was comparatively accepted so it's unsurprising that Jun gets better treatment than that random NPC. It's not like Tatsuya an Jun have a big romance scene anyway as far as I now. You just pick his name out of the options and that's the end of it. It's still better than anything in Nu Persona but it's hardly amazing content.

Also this is totally the wrong thread. Isn't the Persona team supposed to be working on a fantasy JRPG? I dunno, I just saw the title about the makers of Persona and clicked on thisthread by mistake.

Edited by Nikkolas on Feb 20th 2019 at 8:25:55 AM

Project Re Fantasy. It's being worked on by another development team called Studio Zero, which Atlus founded around when P5 came out.

Which consists of many former Persona team, including Hashino, the director for P3-5. This means the Persona team is the one getting new members.

You get a unique negotiation option if you pick him and it's been heavily implied that he's the canonical choice.

The issue with fictional trans woman being labeled as male has happened for years with various recent and successful Japanese series.

The "canonical choice" thing is the fandom seeing what they want to see IIRC. Different people who worked on the game, with equal levels of authority, have said different things about it - at least one of them considers Maya the canonical choice, and since the P2 characters and timeline have pretty much been abandoned there's nothing to indicate that either of them is "canon."

The only right choice is Lisa anyway

Theyve made clear with the official guidebook Maya isn't interested in either brother, but Satomi and Kaneko do think Jun and Tatsuya are into each other. But whether they sct on said feelings is a different matter, and not that any relationship with Tatsuya has anywhere to go but down considering he can't be wih any of them.

The series has been milking that kind of Bond between the protagonists and those who are supposed to be their Shadows from P3 onwards with Ryoji, Adachi, and Goro. Such a shame the last two are nothing but garbage.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 20th 2019 at 8:42:40 AM

Well, golly, guys. It seems these Japanese games that appeal to Japanese people aren't for you with what I'm reading. In other news, fuck yeah, the return of Troy Baker!

As was mentioned earlier, Japanese fans have also criticized Catherine for transphobia in the past, so no, it's not that simple.

This is a really tired and disingenuous argument because it assumes that LGBT+ people don't exist in Japan and that they are fine with the problems we've been discussing, which they most likely aren't. "They're japanese" isn't an excuse.

I think Akechi is much worse than Adachi. At least Adachi is supposed to be a contemptuous piece of trash that, at best, you pity. Akechi on the other hand the game wants you to genuinely empathize with and feel sorry for, even though the game does very little to earn that.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Feb 20th 2019 at 2:12:52 PM

Didn't somebody up-thread say Japan was steamed, too?

Akechi is what happens when the writers try and force a redemption. You just make the character more divisive.

And yeah, I did. Japanese LGBT+ communities are incredibly sick of these types of things.

I was just reading today about how the Remaster of Yakuza 3 that released in Japan cut out some transphobic sidequests that were in the original.

Apparently the writing issues with Akechi were due to the specific social issue he was meant to be commenting on (discrimination against illegitimate children, which is huge in Japan) getting Lost in Translation.

Lost in Translation means we never saw it because it isn't portrayed in the game itself since we don't live there. sure.

But I still don't think it excuses him even then.

Akechi's backstory is a massive violation of Show, Don't Tell. We're only ever told he has a shitty past, while the entire game shows him as a beloved celebrity. That his sad background only appears in a 10 minute infodump doesn't help.

The problem for me is two things. The first is the "show don't tell thing"; even if there are cultural differences at play, some good writing actually showing us how shitty Akechi's life was via some flashbacks or whatever would have made that mostly moot.

The other problem is that Akechi's crimes are both numerous and horrible, and once he gets unmasked he acts like a textbook deranged, smug anime villain. Instead of making him disturbing or intimidating this just ends up making him feel flatter as a character, and it makes all the sympathy the game gives him feel very forced and unearned.

But this is probably a better fit for the Persona thread.

A few points:
1) What is neo Mcarthyist? It seems to be a popular right-wing talking point, but I never understood what it is. I did see it in the context of someone excusing noted rapist Kavanaugh of being "witch-hunt" right here on Tv tropes, so there
2) Reset Era is a discussion forum, just like Tvtropes or any other sites. Generalizing an entire site for a few posts made by the few user is not really considered healthy
3) I restate my points: The whole thing is Unfortunate Implications. Yes, Atlus did not explicitly said that "Erica was cured of being trans", but the way the scene is set up (where everyone is dressed like they're in the present) cause the audience to have that perception. You can interpret in charitably, but people's point is that they should have done their due diligence and made it clearer (no, i do not think one line from Erica excuse everything).
4) "Erica is happier in this timeline so she doesn't have to lie to Toby about her gender". But this also caused her to transition later? So "being happy" means "delaying your transition"? Yikes
Final thought: I especially like at the beginning of this video where they tried to make it sounds like that scene in Fire Emblem Fates is not clearly an example of Cure Your Gays. Really proves their point.

The right's accusing the left of McCarthyism now? Pffffft.

Rins ending does show Toby and Erica as a genuine couple over its mishandling of the two in Katheribe, so Im sure they thought implying the transition in the future and them potentially being a couple in Catherines new ending would "make sense" since Catherine disrupted their lives to get with Vincent, rather than doing it intentionally.

Like their friend Paul getting with Katherine and her making sure Vincent and Kath don't interact through the years.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 21st 2019 at 8:16:39 AM

Did you read what you just posted? This is what you actually believe in.