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Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#61301: Oct 27th 2016 at 6:56:26 PM

Conquest problems;

Hooking up Azura with Silas would mean she can become a Cavalier and then a Great Knight and actually get some goddamn HP and Defence while still wielding a lance so she can later swap back to Songstress and actually contribute as support that can take a hit.

... But I'm not sure if I ship it.

Also limited seals in Conquest and I'm not sure because I haven't met everyone yet but if I just wait I'll probably just make things harder on myself than need be urgh.

Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#61302: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:04:48 PM

Azura has very few ships that are good. Besides, you're better off not reclassing her since Songstress is so good and you need to keep her away from the enemy anyway.

As a consolation, at least her hair color looks nice on a number of kids.

edited 27th Oct '16 7:06:04 PM by Karxrida

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#61303: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:11:26 PM

Azura!Sophie is a damn beast.

Also, Pegasus Knight Azura is damn usable.

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#61304: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:12:06 PM

S-supports are pretty hard to reach in conquest, because you're too busy trying to win.

I was trying as hard as I could to get Xander and Laslow S-ranked, and I only managed it at chapter 24 or something ridiculously late.

I then didn't bother to recruit the children until 27, because I thought it would be too hard. It wasn't, and they're actually both really good.

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Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#61305: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:14:21 PM

Oh Songstress has ridiculous Speed and Skill growth and I wouldn't make her a frontline fighter.

But it'll be better that she doesn't die from just one hit.

Wellp, this is just my first playthrough (I have not been spoiled to like 90% of the game), so I should just do whatever seems like a good idea now and worry about bulding "a perfect Nohr army" on my second go around and after I bought some DLC.

Blind Lunatic Classic Conquest with no DLC. (Except the freebies...) Has been fun, if frustrating, but fun so far.

Was gonna be "resetless" but fucking hell those early chapters I would had too few units if I did that. And even now when I have some "reserves" enemy reinforcements out of every side of the map can suddenly kill somebody useful.

Karxrida The Unknown from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
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#61306: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:18:22 PM

Azura is probably the easiest to S-Rank with somebody because you can just grind EXP and Support from Sing on a single target on maps that give you any sort of breathing room. Assuming enough exist (I'm pretty sure there's a couple).

I was trying as hard as I could to get Xander and Laslow S-ranked, and I only managed it at chapter 24 or something ridiculously late.
Modded cart, I assume?

edited 27th Oct '16 7:27:00 PM by Karxrida

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61307: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:41:10 PM

Hey, I was wondering something today.

How does Percy's Luck inheritance work? Is he just hard-coded to ignore Arthur's shitty Luck growth and use a very high stat as the father's contribution instead?

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#61308: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:43:49 PM

Bases are determined by the average of father, mother and child-specific stats. Sibilings have different bases and growths even in the same class.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#61309: Oct 27th 2016 at 7:45:20 PM

Ah, so Percy does get slightly gimped by his father's terrible luck, it's just his own luck stat is absurd.

I thought their personal growth stats were solely the average of the mother and father, not any contribution on the child's own part.

edited 27th Oct '16 7:45:49 PM by Anomalocaris20

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#61310: Oct 27th 2016 at 8:17:44 PM

Percy will still have a low Luck cap. However, he will probably max it up really soon.

Same as Midori, who has high Luck but low Luck potential, it maxes out fast but low.

Use this to get growths and modifiers.

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#61311: Oct 27th 2016 at 8:44:51 PM

No, the growths are determined by the variable parent (the one the child is not tied to) and their own personal growths. So, if Arthur married Effie, only Effie and Percy would determine Percy's growths. Usually, the variable parent is the mother, but in the case of female Corrin and Azura, it's the father.

Incidentally, this is also why Elise's kid will never have a better growth than her.

Wellp, this is just my first playthrough (I have not been spoiled to like 90% of the game), so I should just do whatever seems like a good idea now and worry about bulding "a perfect Nohr army" on my second go around and after I bought some DLC.
While there is still some leeway to mess around on Lunatic. you probably want to optimize to the best of your ability or there may be regrets later in the campaign.

edited 27th Oct '16 8:48:40 PM by KuroiTsubasaTenshi

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RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#61312: Oct 27th 2016 at 8:51:34 PM

So, uh, I'm in a dilemma here. I used my first Elysian Whip on MU. Palla reaches lv 20 and Catria is lv 19. Should I use a Master Shield on Palla now or wait until later and get 2 more Pegasus Knights?

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#61313: Oct 27th 2016 at 9:03:42 PM

[up]Want more Pegasus Knights, I see? I like to give a Elysian Whip to Caeda just to give her more speed and getting +2 strength from promo (I think) and 24 max strength isn't terrible (to compare Dracoknight/Wyvern Lord's max strength is 26). Unless you really want her strength to get +4 point since her strength is the lowest growth (30%).

Dracoknight is good on Palla since her speed isn't very good (30%). Both Falcon Knight and Dracoknight is good on Catria based on her growths. Your call.

@Anomal That was in Awakening where the growths and stats are based on both the father, mother, and the children's base stats which is encoded in the game. In Fates, they changed it where it is the variable parent, typically mothers in most pairings except M!Kana and Shigure who's variable parent is their father.

Also, while Percy and Midori has a negative luck cap because of their fathers, they have luck-boosting personal skills to make up for it (Percy gets +5 dodge which is essentially 10 luck and Midori gets +20 activation rate to luck-based skills).

Speaking of Percy's skill, this allows him to use Silver weapons without the -5 dodge modifier, which is neutralized.

edited 27th Oct '16 9:14:02 PM by mariovsonic999

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RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#61314: Oct 27th 2016 at 9:13:53 PM

[up]Caeda is certainly benched unless I need her to recruit someone. Her offense and defense fall short when Wyverns start showing up and.

I decided to go for Draco Knight Palla, maybe give her a Starsphere shard to patch up her speed, Catria will have to wait for a while.

edited 27th Oct '16 9:15:04 PM by RAlexa21th

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mariovsonic999 Lo L Dating Sim is a real thing. Since: Feb, 2012
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#61315: Oct 27th 2016 at 9:17:16 PM

[up]Hmm... since you are in Chapter 10 based on your last post, have fun in Chapter 11. Be sure to have those bows and Shaver books ready. And bring a map because there are hidden treasure.

edited 27th Oct '16 9:18:50 PM by mariovsonic999

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Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#61316: Oct 27th 2016 at 10:18:50 PM

While there is still some leeway to mess around on Lunatic. you probably want to optimize to the best of your ability or there may be regrets later in the campaign.
I will try. As long as I pick which units to keep improving and which ones to bench I should do fine.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#61317: Oct 28th 2016 at 12:45:25 AM

Reclassing Azura: Her magic isn't great, but if you have the Witch DLC, you absolutely want to make her one, Warp is amazing on her.

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Geist-Fox loafing about from north Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#61318: Oct 28th 2016 at 2:00:17 AM

Right now my Azura is still a Songstress at Lv 11, but I was thinking of this for her, actually:

> Ship with Silas, use Partner Seal to reclass to Cavalier

> Level her up, promote her to either Paladin or Great Knight. GK offers more HP and Defence, but Paladin grants more Speed and a bit of Resistance. Also them skill decisions...

> Keep leveling in promoted class until Lv 15 for stats and skill.

> Make her a Witch for three levels to obtain Warp.

> Change back to Songstress for last two level ups.

> Slap Inspiring Song, Voice of Peace, Foreign Princess, Warp and either Aegis, Luna or Armoured Blow on her depending on prior promotion choice. Mostly leaning towards Aegis (and thus Paladin) to suit her "Warping Sing Support" role, as it helps her survival the most.

... Though I'm not sure if she can reach all of that before the campaign ends! tongue

NOTE! The most I have really "spoiled" for myself has been looking up skills and growth rates for classes.

NOTE 2; THE RETURN OF THE REVENGE FOR VENGEANCE! I only have a Witch Seal thanks to the freebie.

edited 28th Oct '16 2:01:04 AM by Geist-Fox

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#61319: Oct 28th 2016 at 8:18:50 AM

R Alexa12th: Caeda is still worth investing in for her Prf weapon, the Wing Spear. It will definitely come in handy for dealing with the tons of Paladins/Horsemen/Generals late-game throws at you.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#61320: Oct 28th 2016 at 8:22:42 AM

Caeda is a beast.

Plus I think you need to field her anyway to recruit a buncha characters.

edited 28th Oct '16 8:23:09 AM by asterism

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#61321: Oct 28th 2016 at 8:28:39 AM

Caeda doesn't recruit anymore characters after Jake in New Mystery

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#61322: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:07:33 AM

[up]x4 What chapter are you on? Because that's a lot of ground to make up, and an especially long time to go without a turn refresher. FYI, even as a Great Knight, Azura will only have 45% HP and 35% Def growths. Prior to that, Cavalier will only get her 30%/30%. Even if waited to 20 and then pushed to promote 15, the projected gains are 2.7 + 6.3 = 9 HP and 2.7 + 4.9 = 7.6 Def. Leveling in Songstress for 24 levels would get her 4.8 in each. So, by spending a ton of resources, you lose your refresher and get a subpar combat unit who no longer has her own private EXP pool to draw from for an additional 4.2 HP and 2.8 Def. That's... really not going to make her survive any better—especially not on Lunatic.

Also consider that due to the extreme harshness of EXP-gain decay, she won't be hitting 35 until very late in the campaign.

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RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#61323: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:17:35 AM

It's kinda too late for Caeda now. She really lags behind on the recent chapters since I can't throw her at dragons, and I doubt she is more efficient at killing horsmen/armor than the big 3. If she can't help out in the hardest part of the game, her marginal late game advantages don't matter.

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#61324: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:36:15 AM

[up]That's the price of benching her too soon. Also, why would you throw her to dragons?

edited 28th Oct '16 9:36:44 AM by mariovsonic999

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RAlexa21th Brenner's Wolves Fight Again from California Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#61325: Oct 28th 2016 at 9:44:28 AM

Because I need to rotate meat shields, and someone to fly out and one shot wyverns.

It's not like Caeda is bad, but the competition is too tough. Especially now that I got Xane who is essentially 2nd MU or Palla.

edited 28th Oct '16 9:52:24 AM by RAlexa21th

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