Was Metroid Other M the right direction? (NO FLAME WARS PLEASE)

I want a Metroid with more jiggle physics and have Samus act like a girl a bit more, but hey, we can't all have what we want.

^Does ending pictures in Metroid games count? You know, those with her posing?(I'm not sure if they do...)

pfft...I meant all game long.

edited 29th Sep '10 10:15:20 AM by Signed

@spookymask: I wasn't thinking about it in terms of FPS versus 2D. I was thinking linear story-based route versus the Metroidvania route, which the first Prime definitely was.

The devs I mentioned happen to specialize FPS is purely coincidental.

edited 29th Sep '10 10:12:48 AM by MedicoreNed

Hmm, Bioware does make great chars, but their stories fall into set pattern with some differences. About Valve? Well I dunno, Metroid is pretty different one from Half-Life. Bioshock developers? Well, I guess that could work. Obsidian? Well most of cast in New Vegas are old Fallout developers, so that doesn't really count.

Also, I have little iffy feelings at idea of giving pretty Japanese franchise to Western one...

Hmm, Bioware does make great chars, but their stories fall into set pattern with some differences.

Yeah, i blame their obsession with the Monomyth

About Valve? Well I dunno, Metroid is pretty different one from Half-Life.

Again I was thinking linear-metriod not metroidvania. Also I really the characterization in the left 4 dead series.

Bioshock developers? Well, I guess that could work.

Yeah, especially now that the main character is going to speak in the next bioshock game.

Obsidian? Well most of cast in New Vegas are old Fallout developers, so that doesn't really count.

That was the point.

Also, I have little iffy feelings at idea of giving pretty Japanese franchise to Western one...

Metroid. Is. More. Popular. In. America. What's. Hard. To. Understand?

edited 29th Sep '10 10:38:41 AM by MedicoreNed

I can honestly say if they just ripped the game engine from SSB and remaped part of the controls, I would buy that Metroid game. That's actually what I thought Metroid Prime was going to be, talk about disappointment.

^ Subspace did have quite a nice little mini-Metroidvania vibe at the end, didn't it?

Sure, why not? Could be shiny.

^^^True, but I'm not fan of Metroid because its popular in country that is west from Europe xD

"But they might not, given sales figures of this game."

Did you pay attention to what I responded to? It wasn't a comment about following this game's direction.

I'm iffy about giving a japanese franchise to a western developer. I mean, can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if the company behind Devil May Cry decided to hand everything over to a western company to appeal to a western audience?

That said...I finally saw quite a bit of the game by now, and I stick by what I said earlier. The controversy is blown out of proportions. And people who claim Samus had any character in previous games are just making it all up.

Only real complaint is apparently the game's length. Yeah...shortest LP ever.

If I want to see a new Metroid game, it better be a crossover, with Rockman.

edited 29th Sep '10 6:52:57 PM by Signed

I'm iffy about giving a japanese franchise to a western developer. I mean, can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if the company behind Devil May Cry decided to hand everything over to a western company to appeal to a western audience?

Ummm. There's a thread about that.

I'm iffy about giving a japanese franchise to a western developer. I mean, can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if the company behind Devil May Cry decided to hand everything over to a western company to appeal to a western audience?

Capcom did and it was a shitstorm.

The problem here is that Metroid had been given to a Western Developer, namely Retro Studios with the Metroid Prime series. It also worked! Why mess with what works?

edited 29th Sep '10 6:58:49 PM by GameGuruGG

"And people who claim Samus had any character in previous games are just making it all up."

That I call. Even if it doesn't fit some standards, there was a character there, especially in subtext.

That bit is highly up for interepretations...or something like that.

To me, Samus is a mute who runs close range into anything and fires her weapon. And when Samus gets bored, she spazzes out and tries to jump past every enemy in order to clear a stage as soon as possible. And for some players, she have a tendency of killing herself via jumping into her death or watch enemies slowly kill her while the player eats lunch.

I'm going by the non interactive parts.

It's not up to interpretation at all. Anyone who's played Metroid Fusion knows that while Samus can be made to take orders when there is something in it for her, she really doesn't like it from anyone apart from Adam, in which case she probably just tolerates it, and, even then, she is still willing to disobey them when the orders start making no sense at all. Also, when she monologues, she isn't some skinny bimbo monotonously telling you about everything that happens to be in front of you. And that game used a version of the authorization system that made sense, (i.e. They actually take her upgrades away instead of working through the honor system. So she had to get actual pick ups). Also, there was no puss out moment with Ridley, which is about as stupid as Rockman X or Zero cowing in fear from Boba Fett (fuck whatever his real name is, THAT GUY IS BOBA FETT) or Sigma. Basically, play Fusion. It's Other M done right.

Um, not to say I disagree, but, uh, would you mind elaborating on this, please?

Come on, you seriously can't say that all those "Extra modes" basically designed to show off the Dreamcast's capabilities(Gamma, Treasure Hunting, Fishing) should be series staples, right?

Sonic's stages were also too linear compared to the Genesis games.

It could've been improved, but then... Well... We got SA 2.

I want more normal Metroid after many years of Primes D=

...Why? Why do people think Retro doing Metroid=More First Person games? No offense to you personally, I'm just exasperated at this statement.

They're doing DKCR right now! They even expressed interest in doing another Metroid! If anybody can do a new 2D Metroid right, it's them.

Basically, play Fusion. It's Other M done right.

This too.

edited 1st Oct '10 8:41:52 AM by myhandsomevolcano

...Okay, what would be the point of giving Metroid to Retro to do 2D games? I mean, the whoever did them in past in 2D did those well enough, so that would seem rather redundant to me =P

...Okay, what would be the point of giving Metroid to Retro to do 2D games? I mean, the whoever did them in past in 2D did those well enough, so that would seem rather redundant to me =P

Sakamoto went George Lucas. You never go George Lucas.

I think Retro could do it even better. You're also talking about games that were made six years ago at the EARLIEST. Those studios don't exist anymore.

edited 1st Oct '10 9:45:04 AM by myhandsomevolcano

...Thats still heavily your opinion, and Other M wasn't 2D game.

Seriously, just because you don't like one thing one person did, that doesn't mean you have to compare him to who is disliked by almost everyone.(I don't really get George Lucas hate though, but thats because I haven't seen those movies)

Metroid. Is. More. Popular. In. America. What's. Hard. To. Understand?

Western. Studios. Are. Not. Inherently. Better. At. Japanese. Games. Regardless. Of. Where. They. Sell.

Seriously, try asking Capcom how that keeps turning out. Just because a franchise has a fanbase outside of its country of origin doesn't mean you just pass it off to a developer over there and forget about it. I find that in many cases, the change in mentality also strips the game of what made it unique and interesting - a different studio, especially one of a radically different studio culture, will treat it significantly different.

Seriously, Demon's Souls is far more popular overseas than it was in Japan. Should From Software immediately stop development and hand their followup off to *pulls name out of a hat* Activision? What about Trauma Center, does Atlus need to hand this to *pulls name out of a hat* Bio Ware?

she isn't some skinny bimbo monotonously telling you about everything that happens to be in front of you

Okay, seriously guys, you do realize you undermine your arguments of character derailment, especially arguments of sexist character derailment, when you describe a woman with derogatory sexual terminology, right?

edited 1st Oct '10 9:54:22 AM by Rebochan

Sometimes they can handle things better.

edited 1st Oct '10 9:53:46 AM by Marioguy128

Come on, you seriously can't say that all those "Extra modes" basically designed to show off the Dreamcast's capabilities(Gamma, Treasure Hunting, Fishing) should be series staples, right?

... Except I never said that, mon.

Sonic's stages were also too linear compared to the Genesis games.

Eh, aside from the myriad of glitches present in them, I didn't mind the linearity that much. I don't expect my Sonics to be Metroidvanias.  ^*

It could've been improved, but then... Well... We got SA 2.

Generally considered to be the best 3D Sonic title so far. That's all I'll say on that matter.

SA 2 was considered to be as good as SA 1. Then Seinfeld Is Unfunny kicked in.

edited 1st Oct '10 9:56:34 AM by Marioguy128