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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#7777: Nov 19th 2015 at 7:32:09 PM

Alright gents, what weapon caused this damage in these images:

These are from France regarding the operation to catch the Paris attacks mastermind. (They got him KIA.)

I'm saying it's a 22mm NATO rifle grenade. Probably from GIGN.

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#7778: Nov 19th 2015 at 8:13:23 PM

I think it might be the French APAV 40 which is a 40mm Dual Purpose Anti-Personnel and Anti-Veicle. The other one the French more commonly use is the AC-57 which is an Anti-Tank grenade. My bet is the APAV 40. While the 22mm Rifle Grenade could be used by most NATO allies the French still have this kick about their own kit in general.

edited 19th Nov '15 8:13:53 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#7779: Nov 20th 2015 at 4:47:07 AM

I thought that was the thing. The French use the 22mm rifle grenade when most other NATO members have moved on to 40mm UBGL's like the AG-36 or M203.

I've never heard of the APAV 40.

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#7780: Nov 20th 2015 at 10:28:56 AM

The French also use 40mm UBGLs. The rifle grenades are just something of an additional punch, smaller and lighter than a beefy shoulder-fired rocket, larger than a 40mm and available for every rifleman rather than just the one man in the fireteam.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#7781: Nov 20th 2015 at 10:30:35 AM

They do? I wasn't aware they could mount UBGLs on the FAMAS.

Oh really when?
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#7782: Nov 20th 2015 at 1:27:38 PM

It can mount a M203, as seen here: http://world.guns.ru/assault/fr/famas-e.html. Also, there is a SMG variant of the FAMAS seen there, but I've never seen it before in any media.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#7783: Nov 25th 2015 at 8:37:44 AM

Breaking news - EO Tech, manufacturer of the OTHER fancy American optical sights as found in Battleduty games are in rather deep shit with the American government.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/11/24/u-s-government-sues-l3-coms-eotech-for-fraud/

Issues cited include wandering zero and shit quality control.

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#7784: Nov 25th 2015 at 9:12:40 AM

Run n gun with the most valiant bolt-action rifle ever:

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#7785: Nov 25th 2015 at 10:45:39 AM

That reload time's painful, and so's the round going off into the ulu when he dropped it. No wonder they got rid of that quite quick and went for this -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1903_Springfield instead.

Still not as good as the Smelly though. [lol]

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#7786: Nov 25th 2015 at 11:34:07 AM

But mostly because someone over there thought that a 5-round magazine seemed a bit small.

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#7787: Nov 25th 2015 at 12:11:52 PM

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There was actually a stripper clip made for the Krag, although it never saw widespread use. The Norwegians managed handily against the Germans with theirs though.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#7788: Nov 25th 2015 at 2:26:30 PM

I've heard that one reason the US Army selected the Krag over other designs was that you could keep a round in the chamber, ready to fire, while loading the magazine. Which is something you can't do with a Mauser, since the bolt has to be open to expose the internal magazine for loading.

I recently saw an M16/AR15 magazine that was designed to do something similar. It doesn't lock the bolt open after the last shot, it locks open after the next-to-last shot. That is, when it locks open, there's still one round left in the mag. What you're supposed to do then is hit the bolt release, loading the last round into the chamber, then eject the now-empty mag and replace it with a full one. The idea being, you can have a single round ready to fire, even in the middle of a fast reload. Just in case somebody suddenly jumps out at you, or whatever...

Sounds to me like a solution looking for a problem. Not to mention a screw-up waiting to happen for somebody who's been trained with normal mags, since the steps are done in a different order...

edited 25th Nov '15 4:50:36 PM by pwiegle

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#7789: Nov 25th 2015 at 4:21:02 PM

The Krag is also the reason we went to brass casings as it tended to tear up the early copper ones IIRC.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#7790: Nov 25th 2015 at 5:04:59 PM

Run n gun with the most valiant bolt-action rifle ever:

the most valiant bolt-action rifle ever:

most valiant bolt-action rifle

most valiant

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<British> Or as they also say old chap, it's performance is markedly inferior to that of the pattern Short Magazine Lee-Enfield used by our lads across the Empire! </British>

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#7791: Nov 26th 2015 at 1:55:18 AM

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All those rifles are fuck ugly. And the Krag removed many Nazis in Norway. waii

edited 26th Nov '15 1:55:39 AM by Achaemenid

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#7792: Nov 26th 2015 at 2:14:22 AM

I would like to point out that the bulk of the worst issues were with the American variant of the Krags.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#7793: Nov 26th 2015 at 7:31:06 AM

It Is Now Law: The CMP Can Now Sell 1911s.

Hey Marine! Can I pitch in and you get us some of these?

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#7794: Nov 26th 2015 at 5:37:11 PM

Nice. While i wouldn't want it for carry it might be interesting for tinkering and shooting.

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#7795: Nov 29th 2015 at 7:10:18 AM

I just noticed a gun on the Dr. McNinja web page for his new project Gwenpool.

Which gun does that guy have?

I know comic books don't always draw firearms right but it appears to be an FN FAL 50.62/50.63 going by the folding stock and shorter barrel.

Why it has a Call of Duty style wooden handguard is beyond me.

edited 29th Nov '15 7:11:33 AM by MajorTom

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#7796: Nov 29th 2015 at 7:33:55 AM

The short wooden forend resembles that of an FALO or the Israeli Romat. The framework stock does suggest a folding paratrooper variant. The curved magazine... beats the heck out of me. And in the 3rd panel, note the round charging handle on the right side of the receiver, which is then absent in the 4th.

I don't think it's meant to be a precise depiction of any specific type of rifle.

edited 29th Nov '15 7:50:46 AM by pwiegle

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AngelusNox The law in the night from somewhere around nothing Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#7797: Nov 29th 2015 at 7:42:10 AM

Looks like a CETME-L with a skeletal frame stock

edited 29th Nov '15 7:43:02 AM by AngelusNox

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#7799: Nov 30th 2015 at 6:16:19 AM

It may not just be them. I'm pretty sure the US Govt is going round having a severe look at all their optic sights and their suppliers right now. EO Tech may just be the unlucky first party to get stomped on.

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apacalypse. from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#7800: Nov 30th 2015 at 7:30:07 AM

Aimpoint just made a ton cash.

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