Touhou

Aside from Reimu and Marisa, I'd suggest moving Sakuya, Sanae and Youmu, in recognition of their 'sub-main' status.

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-sits down with popcorn to watch the fanime-

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^^ I'd be wary of the "sub main" idea since the fighters and side games offer a lot of candidates such as Cirno, Aya, Patchouli and Reisen The First.

They're the only characters other than Reimu and Marisa to be playable in multiple main series games.

Also hoomuns.

I concur. When I first came to this page, it took me a while to find Reimu and Marisa. Being at the top of PC-98 page doesn't help. They could be at the top of PC-98 and Windows Page, if there is such a thing, but just PC-98 is no go.

As far as main characters are concerned, I consider Reimu to be the main character. Marisa, Youmu, Sakuya, and Sanae are secondary main characters. Marisa more so than the other three.

edited 29th Nov '14 3:13:15 PM by Starx

Marisa's claim to humanity grows weaker with every game and manga. If she hasn't become a Magician Youkai by now and nobody's figured it out then she's very very close to becoming one.

I'm not sure about that. A magician youkai is something that you have to deliberately try and become, and she doesn't seem interested in that path. Though she could be some other kind of youkai. Who knows?

I think Marisa's youkainess is in part an act. She seems to like being human too much to bother changing. The one who's really at risk of youkaification is Kosuzu.

I suspect Marisa would eventually go youkai if anyone in Touhou actually aged

Well, guess my plan to use Google Docs to share the Touhou Warriors movesets is a bust idea since I don't know how to allow everyone to see them. Anyone got any other suggestions?

tumblr?

Would it work for about two pages of Word Documented work?

Probably. I've seen some pretty long text posts on tumblr before.

I'll keep that in mind.

Aya
Kogasa
Murasa Minamitsu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At the end of the descent of God
Figu-banki

Hmmmm, oh dear. No consensus on the Main Characters Page Thing yet... well, I'll bring it up again anyway, since we really should come to a decision, I feel. Because, while we might disagree on some points, there seems to be no one who is arguing for keeping it as it is now. And Starx again confirmed the inherent problem in Rei/Mari bein' spread throughout the PC 98 page (though I do disagree vehemently with only Reimu being the Main Character). So, it should be changed; let's keep discussing civilly on how

My position still stands unchanged: a Main Characters: Reimu and Marisa Page (and I'd even prefer it to be explicitly called that). The really Big Difference that those two have in comparison to the other three Incident Resolvers is: Rei Mari are the Main Characters of not just Touhou Games, but of the Touhou Franchise as a whole! (and that's what the Main Characters Page is for: the whole Franchise, not individual games) I'm not great at words, so I can't argue well on why that is, but I'm very confident that it's so obvious that it's easy to see, right? Yes, the other three ladies are playable in some games, and in those games, they're equal to Rei/Mari. But really, they just are not even CLOSE to equal to Rei/Mari in terms of:

- Rei/Mari both are Standard Playable Characters in every Touhou Main Game, as well as all the Fighting ones. The other three aren't.

- Appearances in the Other Touhou Official Works, both in how often they show up and how important they are in those appearances.

- Appearances in fangames (or other fanworks), especially Marisa.

- Just being the Figureheads, the Poster Boys, the Wolverines, however you wanna call it, of the Franchise. The ones who visually represent it. Yes, Sakuya's awesome, many non-fans are probably familiar with her, Cirno too, often thanks to memes, and so on... but Rei/Mari just represent Touhou as a whole, in shorthand. How does every short synopsis of "what is the setting of Touhou" go? "Blah blah Gensokyo...youkai...Reimu and Marisa...danmaku" Sanae's not in that synopsis...

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That got longer than expected, but let's see

The main problem is that the character page for windows one is too long, right? I'm not opposed to make a main character or standard playable character page, but how much will moving Sakuya and Youmu there solve the problem?

Also, Po FV at least consider Reisen a main character, as she's one of the characters available right from the start. Fandom doesn't seem to care much for is though.

The problem with a page devoted to ReiMari is more of an aesthetic one: it's a whole page for two characters. Moving the others off of their own pages doesn't solve anything on their end, but it balances out the ReiMari page.

Indeed yes, it was, before I hijacked that discussion with this completely unrelated other discussion ^^ Sorry 'bout that, that original problem should also still be discussed.

Well, Phantasmagoria Games count for even less than the other shooters in determining "Main Character" Status, sorry ^^ I mean, I'd love Yumemi to be a Main Character, 'cause she's frickin' awesome, but she ... isn't ^^ At all.

That is true, yes. However, I'd say that maintaining a clear "only two Franchise Main Characters" line is still worth it. Especially since those two have the longest entries, so their two-people-page would still be of a pretty good length.

Maybe we can move Rei Mari to their own "Main Character" folder in the PC-98 page instead? So PC-98 page will looks like:

• Main Character folder (Reimu + Marisa)
• H Rt P folder(minus Reimu)
• So EW folder (minus Marisa)
• Po DD folder
• LLS folder
• MS folder

That doesn't solve the problem of Windows one page being too big though. If we want to keep the chronological order, then make Eo SD and PCB their own pages?

My point with Reisen was that it follows the pattern of previous games, where Stage 5 boss = new PC in next game. And Po FV is still a main-serial game. But, eh, doesn't really matter since with Mo F the entire thing got reset back to Reimu Marisa anyway.

edited 30th Nov '14 7:26:03 AM by TrueShadow1

No, no. A huge reason why we're discussing this at all is to get the two out of the PC 98 folder and somewhere where they'll be the first thing anyone will see if they open the Characters Page.

That seemed to be the consensus on how to proceed there, yes. What hasn't been proposed before, however: maybe we could combine EoSD, PCB and IN into one page? They really are quite a unit.

edited 30th Nov '14 7:33:17 AM by FellDeedsAwake

We could always have Reimu and Marisa on the characters page directly, without putting them on any sub-page at all. So you'd go to the characters page, have Reimu and Maria there, and then see the links to the other pages.

We can always just put "+Main characters" in the side...but what said works too.

If we combine Eo SD-PCB-IN into their own page,then the rest will only be Suika and Po FV characters...Not sure if I like that. And I woukd imagine the major bulk would come from those three combined anyway.

Certainly also a good idea, Xion! Hmm... I can't at the moment completely envision how it would look, but it would also solve the "one page only for two chars" problem. So it sounds pretty good to me, what do others think?

(On a sillier note: I was trying to come up with a good joke for "Maria" Kirisame, but failed )

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True, yes. That was an unfeasable idea by me. But I'm not hugely invested on the "how to split up the Windows One Page" problem, anyway, compared to the "Main Characters" one. I'll accept whatever with the first one.

edited 30th Nov '14 7:57:05 AM by FellDeedsAwake