I like that Character Development for Prince Albert, but I have this feeling that things cannot end well for Vinny. He tries to do what he can, but sooner or later his conflicting loyalities will force him to go against someone he cares about.
Lost in Space
Does Jillian really intend to attack GK? That's insane.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Not if Charlescom is backing her, either directly or by previously helping build up her forces.
I think there’s a global conspiracy to see who can get the most clicks on the worst lies
Lost in Space
Yeah, but with the truce in effect, CC is effectively pissing away its remaining treasury with such a move. Never mind that Faq can't possibly have enough to sustain an attack.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
And there isn't even anything useful within her range. Sure, Gobwin Knob itself is there, but it's not the capital any more. It's just a random highly-fortified city.
It is also a high cash-income city, with tunnels for which Charlie's recently acquired nat. allies are well-suited for fighting in.
edited 5th Jul '16 10:29:06 AM by Adannor
Even if she takes the city, yeah, it's really not that bad based on what we know. Maybe the side has to change its name.
And tunnels are not accessible by heavies. I assume her giant allies are heavies.
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They are, so basically the warlord in GK just needs to hide in the tunnels with all her regular troops plus the Decrypted Marbits and Gobwins, and hold out until Antium or Stanley come in via Dwagon relay with several crates worth of rifles.
No I meant the gobwins whom Charlie had bought earlier. Way earlier, immediately after the volcano nuke.
edited 5th Jul '16 11:26:20 AM by Adannor
Well, yeah, but because the Gobwins and Hobs are part of Charlescomm now, they're also part of the truce. Unless he releases them ALL to Jillian, he can't actually have them help Jillian with the fighting without getting massive treasury draining, all for a city that neither Parson or Stanley are in..
I think Charlie could bankroll Jillian popping new armies without violating the treaty.
I think there’s a global conspiracy to see who can get the most clicks on the worst lies
Lost in Space
Yes, but one or the other of them would still pay the penalty when those units attacked GK.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Somebody get this freaking duck away from me!
x5 The city falls if all friendly units in the garrison are croaked or captured. I don't think the tunnels are part of the garrison.
Jillian getting some money from Charlescomm doesn't make her Charlie's agent. If she decides on her own to attack Gobwin Knob, the truce allows them to fight back as long as she isn't croaked.
A procrastination in of itself
Tunnels aren't but the dungeon is.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Lost in Space
Holy boop, guys. Now I suddenly feel sympathy for Transylvito.
Looking in from outside the narrative, though, we're pretty sure that Jillian is not attacking them. So, where does this put us?
Well... as of the final illustration, it puts us with Transylvito and Gobwin Knob forming an alliance against FAQ and Charlescomm...
edited 8th Jul '16 12:12:32 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Okay...
So TV is part of the Royal Crown Coalition, Mark II. If Don declared neutrality with GK (with perks like crates of bullets, rifles, and money thrown in for the prisoners) it probably gets kicked out of the RCC. Not that that would change anything at all about their current local situation. But it would be safe from a hypothetical attack from Charley, at least in terms of a TPK capital strike.
On the other hand, if Don actually allied with GK (which is still a big stretch, let's be honest) that'd also basically completely secure TV's local war problems with monetary, military, and strategic aid from Parson. At the cost of now every side in the RCC thinks they're rats with wings.
Problem is going to be "buyers remorse" when they figure out Jillian was on her way to attack GK the whole time. Would Don basically pretend it wasn't a colossal mistake and pretend it was always what he'd planned, or break alliance / neutrality with GK?
It's not really unexpected that bracer which compiles all the side's knowledge to project the odds gives a pretty similar answer to what the top Warlord with pretty much all of said knowledge gives.
It might not be that bad. Tremmenis is strongly considering allying with GK—the roasting of Ansom was for the court's benefit, not out of his own sick pleasure. Parson managed to get King Dickie to mostly forgive him for croaking his son. And Jillian is of course just crazy. Who else is left in the RCC?
Somebody get this freaking duck away from me!
Lots of sides. Page 150 names a bunch of rulers Jillian has to make nice with.
I know there are about eight or so sides that Parson tried to get in contact with but apart from Sofa King, FAQ, Transylvito and Jetstone I can only remember Hobbiton.
Though I do remember the sides around Transylvito for some reason, though they're not currently at war with Gobwin Knob.
Here's erfwiki's list of the new coalition.
- Jetstone - Might ally with Gobwin Knob.
- Transylvito - In the process of possibly allying with Gobwin Knob.
- FoxMUD - Unknown politics.
- Hobbittm - Unknown politics.
- Sofa King - Unknown politics.
- Hyatt - Unknown politics, but it's a Regency.
- Faq - Crazy, firmly in Charlie's pocket.
- Haggar - Parson managed to talk King Dickie out of retribution.
- Charlescomm - The enemy of everyone. Gobwin Knob is trying to convince everyone of this fact, while Charlie is trying to convince everyone that Gobwin Knob is still the ultimate foe.
There are enough unknowns that I don't think TV is going to have every other side in the Coalition jumping down their throats for allying with Parson.
Somebody get this freaking duck away from me!
How is a regency supposed to work in Erfworld? As I understand it, a regent is someone who rules because the rightful ruler is indisposed for some reason, like they're away or too young to take the throne. I don't think any of those situations can happen in Erfworld.
There's speculation on the Erfworld forum that a regency is when a side with an Overlord adopts or has a city pop a Royal (Prince/Princess) and promotes them to heir.
Imagine if Parson croaked Don. Vinny becomes ruler, and ten turn later the "new" heir pops a Prince or Princess because that order was given while Don was alive. Suddenly Transylvito has a Noble ruling it and a Royal in the wings to take over and turn it back into a monarchy later.
Vampires vs Archons would be quite a battle.
I think there’s a global conspiracy to see who can get the most clicks on the worst lies
Probably Gobwin Knob. Not a smart move but she's never been very smart.
What's the GK penalty for croaking her while the treaty is still up? I don't remember.
Edit: Well, even if I call it stupid I'm sure the attack will actually go pretty well. I guess leadership in the city would be pretty low and there's no good general there either. Though it's not nearly as tactically significant as it once was.
edited 4th Jul '16 11:19:16 AM by Arha