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SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80051: Mar 25th 2015 at 6:22:12 PM

So... does this mean Fate/Stay Night has an idiot plot? I mean, given what you have to do to avoid Bad Ends...

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#80052: Mar 25th 2015 at 6:31:37 PM

Nope. (If Idiot Plot, then being an idiot keeps you alive) does not imply (if being an idiot keeps you alive, then Idiot Plot). If it is a puppy, then it's cute, but there are cute things that are not puppies.

Fate's just the story of an idiot succeeding against the odds. No idiot, no succeeding.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80053: Mar 25th 2015 at 6:38:02 PM

And even then, Shirou never gets an ultimate definite victory. No matter the scenario, he'll never be able to save everyone he set out to protect, the actual Best Ends are a rarity that must be achieved through a very specific set of circumstances, and in the end, the ultimate victory must be achieved by Rin and Waver, none of whom are idiots, long after the fact.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80054: Mar 25th 2015 at 7:11:24 PM

Put simply, Shirou is in situations in which Stupidity Is The Only Option.

It's not so much an Idiot Plot, in which everyone is an idiot, but a specific set of circumstances in which behavior that would normally be idiotic happens to actually be the smart choice. It's like how Disgaea 2 is not an Idiot Plot even though the characters all behave like complete idiots most of the way through. It's not that they really are idiots, rather, they're smart, and Genre Savvy enough to know that acting stupidly is going to get a lot more results than acting smart.

Adell solves his problems by punching them to death because his brain told him it was the fastest answer.

Naruto solves his problems by Rasenshuriken'ing them to death because his brain knows no other answer.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80055: Mar 25th 2015 at 7:25:19 PM

Well, not really 'no other'. He used to do this thing called Kage Bunshin... but I guess it got overwritten. He wasn't smart enough to have TWO special moves in his head...

edited 25th Mar '15 7:25:57 PM by SCMof2814

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#80056: Mar 25th 2015 at 7:37:55 PM

Like a Pokemon that's just learned its fifth ability.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80057: Mar 25th 2015 at 7:52:41 PM

In this day an age of gigabyte-sized memory cards, the fact that Pokemon are STILL limited to only 4 abilities is extremely sad for me. Digimon have more.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80058: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:10:17 PM

Given the way Generation VI made itself a whole lot more accessible, we might actually be on our way to a fifth move...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80059: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:11:44 PM

Wow! FIVE whole moves! That'll change EVERYTHING! Pokemon becomes a whole new game![lol]

edited 25th Mar '15 8:12:11 PM by SCMof2814

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80060: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:15:29 PM

A decent player can create some outrageously powerful combos with four moves...

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#80061: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:17:22 PM

It kind of does, actually. The four move limit heavily influences how you raise your Pokemon. If there's a particular strategy you want to employ with it, you often have to sacrifice useful moves for the sake of creating the Pokemon that can employ the strategy. And then there's deciding whether to equip Pokemon with moves that can take down the Pokemon that would have a type advantage, or going with the moves that will be the most effective against Pokemon your Pokemon has a type advantage against. Irritating as it is, the four move limit is a big part of the game.

SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80062: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:28:42 PM

I'll stick with Neptunia...

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80063: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:31:05 PM

Insert Ryu and Ken joke here.

rikalous World's Cutest Direwolf from Upscale Mordor Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
World's Cutest Direwolf
#80064: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:44:47 PM

In this day an age of gigabyte-sized memory cards, the fact that Pokemon are STILL limited to only 4 abilities is extremely sad for me. Digimon have more.
It's not like the size of memory cards available would influence how much a critter can remember.

Shut up, Porygon.

Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#80065: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:46:42 PM

  • Hadouken
  • Shiryuken
  • Tatsumaki Senpu Kyaku
  • Assorted Super Attack

edited 25th Mar '15 8:47:17 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80066: Mar 25th 2015 at 8:47:58 PM

@SCM

Speaking about that, how is THAT going? Me, I'm kinda sad I won't get to play V II until I get a PS 4, meself.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
SCMof2814 Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: I don't mind being locked in this eternal maze!
#80067: Mar 25th 2015 at 9:32:28 PM

The MB limit for plans is frustrating, since it means I can't get any of the lolis until the New Game Plus. Saw the Normal ending, now going for the True Ending.

Archivist10 Oh for God's sake! Since: Jan, 2013
Oh for God's sake!
#80068: Mar 26th 2015 at 2:28:35 AM

Naruto solves his problems by Rasenshuriken'ing them to death because his brain knows no other answer

Did you even read the manga?

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#80069: Mar 26th 2015 at 2:31:53 AM

I have a dream where pokemon do not have to forget moves to learn new ones!

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#80070: Mar 26th 2015 at 2:40:50 AM

Fate Averruncus was a Prince Charming who was deeply in love with Asuna since she was still the princess of Ostia, but because of the war, she had been sent to Earth (most likely due to the fact that princesses always end up kidnapped) and had her memories sealed to prevent detection. Boy, someone screwed that one up. Everyone in her class was caught in how gorgeous he looked to the point they were pressing her to go marry this weirdo who had revealed himself in a flying carriage drawn by a unicorn with wings that appeared right in front of Mahora Academy.
Negima Neo has an Ostia? Does that mean the Magical World exists too?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#80071: Mar 26th 2015 at 5:14:43 AM

Yes, it does. As a matter of fact, they end up going there to save Asuna from her marriage.

It's not... as epic as the final battle in Negima, but at least it has less asspulls.

edited 26th Mar '15 5:15:20 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

UberNimrod "EEEEK!!! CATS!!" "Setsuna? Chill out." from Likely nowhere near you Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
"EEEEK!!! CATS!!" "Setsuna? Chill out."
#80072: Mar 26th 2015 at 7:15:06 AM

Relevant.

Neo wasn't godawful, but it felt rushed. The Anya/Star Crystal got resolved in one book.

Anya: "I'll take over Asuna and make her my slave!"

Negi: "Oh yeah? I'll just kiss her AGAIN! How do you like those apples?"

Anya: "Oh poo! I am defeated."

Ok, maybe not with that text, but it ended that fast to me.

Madman with a box? I'm a madman with a semi, a pretzel bender and a Heart of Gold!
IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80073: Mar 26th 2015 at 9:01:23 AM

@Archivist

Oh, yes, I did. Did you?

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari
Archivist10 Oh for God's sake! Since: Jan, 2013
Oh for God's sake!
#80074: Mar 26th 2015 at 10:00:53 AM

YES.

Practically all of Naruto's fights are based around tactics and coming up with strategies on the fly. His victory is rarely attributed to brute force (though not saying he doesn't use it, hey he's up against some tough opponents and its practical) and not only that but to my recollection he has only ever won one fight with a Rasenshuriken.

edited 26th Mar '15 10:03:30 AM by Archivist10

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
himitsu keisatsu
#80075: Mar 26th 2015 at 10:03:25 AM

It sure as hell doesn't show.

himitsu keisatsu seifu chokuzoku kokka hoanbu na no da himitsu keisatsu yami ni magireru supai katsudou torishimari

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