All Purpose Negima Fanfiction Thread

I promise to finish Chapter 5 of "Out of Control" before I start Chapter 11 of Mahou Sensei Anya. How's that?

As for the other idea, could be interesting. I'll see.

Anyway, I promised you all this:

Fine by me. I just want to keep it going. If it stalls for too long we might have trouble building momentum again.

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SCM, finally finished putting all the Doc X together. It was a true mammoth of a thing!

It's already sent your way.

Got it!

Anyway, here's the opening scene.

The math for this ficlet was TORTURE! On the other hand, something I learned in High school algebra actually turns out to be useful to writing! Education not wasted! Try and solve what (x-squared + y-squared) is to the closest whole number...

Anyway, proposed ultra-general plot for first chap:

Uur chosen 3-a characters arrive in the classroom, only to find it empty, with them the only ones there. There is signs of s truggle, and they do a parody of Monk, Psych and CSI to try and pierce together what happened... only for the writing on the chalkboard, which they ignored, to provide expositon on the plot. The non 3-A characters arrive, and one of them (either Eiko and fetish girl, who is nameless and referred to as Ms. Fanservice) explains who the enemy is. They resolve to get the main characters back, while milking this moment to be star protagonists for all it is worth.

edited 27th Apr '11 9:25:34 PM by SCMof2814

I call dibs on Sister Shakti and Chizuru.

I ain't even going to try solving that. Too many radicals!

edited 27th Apr '11 9:23:50 PM by mega-dark

Hyped for Hyperdimension Neptunia V 2

Well x^2 + y^2 = 2y^2 + 16.61y+ 69. You forgot to add another equation that would define y as 0 to get your mathematical naughtiness in.

Darn, I'm rusty at this. It was supposed to derive from 69= (x + y)*(x - y). Well, keep it in. The reviews are going to be FILLED with people telling us the math is wrong, and that means more reviewers.

edited 27th Apr '11 9:28:52 PM by SCMof2814

*shrug* I call Chisame and Chachamaru.

My Twitch.

I think they're a bit too "main characters", particularly Chachamaru.

Mind, we might restrain the "main cast" theme to only Negi, Asuna, Konoka, Nodoka and Setsuna, but...

Ninjaed

The popular main characters (all in the Magical World Arc) who get written about a lot, they'll be first to get kidnapped. It needs to be a REALLY overlooked character. Zazie might still count, but only if we're going by how often she is in center stage in fics. Shizuna, that little kid with the illusions and little dolls, Mana's Biathlon club crush, etc.

edited 27th Apr '11 9:37:32 PM by SCMof2814

Oh, yeah! Sorry, my bad. I forgot. ^^;

Erm...Satomi and Misora?

My Twitch.

Yeah, I suppose Misora is forgettable enough. No one feel obligated to keep doing 2 characters, it's just that the Narutakis come as a set...

Also "Decadent habit" or some form thereof is now code of *nc*st.

edited 27th Apr '11 9:43:51 PM by SCMof2814

Oh dear. I've helped spawn a meme. I used to be such a good person, too.

If you won't I'll slit your throat/Won't you please be nice?

Welcome to the club of meme creators.

My Twitch.

NEGIMA IS LOVE!

@ SCM: Your theory is quite something. I especially liked the art/dance/music analogy. Our theories focus more on the similarities between magic styles, something like a Unified Magic Theory for as many series as possible. Yours is more about the differences - and that is good. If you want more feedback, I can do it when I'm back home.

Rakan with Belkan Magic? And I've thought this character couldn't get any more broken...

By the way, who else thinks that Senjutsu is very similar to Kanka?

Rather than smart, I'd prefer to be wise. It would let me be silly more often.

I'd like that. I want to try plugging any holes in the theory. A more extended version available here and the next page, including Eastern Magic, DC universe magic, and Card Captor Sakura.

I'll add my $2 by saying that your theory is looking at things from the philosophical point, trying to find allegories for things that are not well-defined or understood. The various arts analogy is a great idea. Our theory is more scientific in nature, trying to determine and understand the underlying laws of nature that govern the process (and by doing so, as Nobody mentioned, provide a unified explanation for magic in as many series as possible; that would be important later). In that vein, it can be seen that, while yours could have been formulated by Earth School mages of ages past, ours is more Mid-Childan scientist' take on the problem.

EDIT: Now, there's an idea.

edited 28th Apr '11 12:43:01 AM by Sinclair

Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.

True enough. Unified magical theories isn't me anyway. I LIKE magic being unique from each other. unified theories seem forced a lot of the time, and when badly done homogenizes series involved, making them unbalanced. My way justifies each magic being subject to mutually exclusive rule sets that don't answer to each other. Is Negima magic and Nanoha magic the same energy in your theory? Because they are different ones in mine. You seem to be focussing more on methodology and hardware in your theory, and I'm a bit confused if whether you state they are the same energy or not. The word 'like' is used too much, I guess.

I'm interested in how you explain the Pactio system and the lack of rune circles. The circles are canonically an expression of the mana being formed into a spell. Also, as I understand it, spells in Nanoha are shaped and produced outside the body, connected to the caster by a mental magical link, hence why it's and Anti MAGIC-LINK Field. Negima magic comes out of the body whole and ready to fire, as shown by the lock and load sequence for Magia Erebea. How DO you account for that with your theory, BTW? it's a major part of Negi's arsenal now, so it needs to be accounted for.

Also, while ice magic is relatively simple to explain, how do you explain sand elemental and Earth elemental magic like Tertium uses, which produces HUGE rocks without material to draw from, and causes petrification, an effect with no equal in Nanoha yet seems a common, non-special, if rarely used ability in Negima? Fate's Testarossa's relatively easy weather manipulation, an ability that seems nonexistent in Negima must be accounted for too.

Sorry if this is obnoxious, but they ARE issues such a unified theory needs to at least acknowledge and handwave.

edited 28th Apr '11 1:09:26 AM by SCMof2814

@Sereg, #6926: Call me petty, but it's "wandering". For more information, see The Big List of Booboos and Blunders.

edited 28th Apr '11 1:24:11 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

While true, the same can be said about anything that isn't done right. Balance is a tricky business. I have found that having a unified ruleset helps rather than the opposite. It helps when questions such as "Will AMF work on Negi? What about other magic systems?" or "Would the pactio cards and associated artifacts be considered device equivalent?" come around. It's coming up with said ruleset that's the problem.

With no common ground and rules, crossover fights become a "who do I like best" fests, and we are at least trying to avoid that, as is Akamatsu's tradition.

All magic and other arts producing supernatural effects are fueled by spiritual energy. This energy is called mana in Nanohaverse, no matter where it comes from. In Negima, it is differentiated between mana and ki, depending on whether it is taken from the environment or produced by the caster's own body respectively. It is still functionally the same energy.

The pactio system is a contract facilitated by a spell which has two effects:

• creates a magical item that is the pactio card
• creates a link between the magister and minister, through which the magister can send mana into the minister's body for the purpose of general reinforcement. It is never used for anything else, and is always activated through the same command phrase, hence my belief that it has a single effect. If Negi was using Theodora's mana to fuel his own spells, and not just for body reinforcement (needs verification), then it would stand to reason, that the link simply provides the minister with additional mana they can spend as they see fit if they are able to use mana or ki on their own in the first place, with the default effect being body reinforcement.

The circle or triangle is always the point of origin of the spell effect (if you can think of any instances that contradict this, let me know), the focus. Its nature is the visualization of the mana flow at that point. We have no canonical explanation as to why the Belkan style uses a triangle, while the Mid style uses a circle. It is very easy to say that this makes them two radically different things, but I do not believe so. There are also magical circles in Negima. There they are used for boosting purposes. I postulate that Mid and Belkan styles are so powerful because they always make use of the "boosting runes" while casting. In this vein I also postulate that there exist multiple "boost functions", magical formulae that can be used for that purpose. Some of them (the Mid circle) are better attuned to ranged attacks, while others (the Belkan triangle) work better for magical reinforcement and melee attacks.

The Mage-link you are referring to is specifically the link between a caster's Linker Core, which produces mana, and their brain, which is used to control its flow and shape it into usable spell effects. Magic effects in both Nanoha and Negima can originate a distance from the caster's body, as evidenced by Fate's multiple summonings, and Negi's Evocatio Valcyriarum.

There are generally two explanations: the objects are either summoned, in which case they are simply cut out of the nearest piece of material large enough for that, or, which is more likely, make use of the dual nature of matter-energy. In this case, the mana itself changes state from energy to matter. It is also possible that mana only facilitates change of one matter type into another, basically solidifying air into stone.

This is directly connected with yet another set of spells, which will probably be the trickiest to understand and describe, namely polymorph. To quote a certain wizard:

"You turned into a cat! A SMALL cat! You violated Conservation of Energy! That's not just an arbitrary rule, it's implied by the form of the quantum Hamiltonian! Rejecting it destroys unitarity and then you get FTL signaling! And cats are COMPLICATED! A human mind can't just visualize a whole cat's anatomy and, and all the cat biochemistry, and what about the neurology? How can you go on thinking using a cat-sized brain?"

Thank you for bringing these up. There's a lot of things we've seen that we don't have an explanation for (yet). On that note, I've also noticed another thing about your theory. While it provides a very nice description of how the styles differ from each other, it doesn't say a word about how and why they work as they do.

edited 28th Apr '11 2:01:08 AM by Sinclair

Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.

I don't bother with "why" but rather with consistent effect. This implies rules without explicit need to list them. And given these are systems of ongoing series, this makes it easier to integrate future spells and revelations. Besides, Nanoha magic and Fate stay night magecraft both have an extensive canon ruleset, in the case of 2814, and Negima wizardry is at least research heavy on Akamatsu's end, so HE probably has the rules, but just isn't sharing.

An observation: Negima seems to be fine-detail orient when it comes to the energy source, given how the differentiate between ki and magic, while Nanoha is more fine-detail oriented regarding spell construction, given how spells with the same name both fo not always function the same way, or built the same way. Compare Starlight Breakers between Nanoha and Tea.

A glaring problem: Yue and Nodoka, along with Ala Alba in the Demon Count sequence, all to a certain extent learn magic. Even MAKIE was able to cast Ardescat, at a chapter-end frame, the one where Yuuna dreams her boobs were magically stolen. This implies ANYONE can use Negima magic to some degree with training, and that those with magical bloodlines like Negi and Konoka are only special because their magical capacity is significantly greater than a mundane.

Nanoha magic, however, is apparently either you have it or you don't. There is no middle ground. Even Hayate had magical ability, it was just pitiful originally. There are also mid citizens who can't use it, like Regius and his secretary. Compare to EVERYONE in Mundus Magicus being able to do it, even to a small degree. Plus, how do you reconcile the TSAB saying there are only a bare handful of people on earth able to use magic, as opposed to Chao's outright statement there are hundreds of millions of mages on earth?

My justifications is under my system is because due to the Magics being different, the TSAB don't know to scan for it, or even can't. There are, under their scan, only a few mages who can use thier magic, but they missed the millions of Negima mages and magecraft users and the Senshi because they don't show up in thier scans. This is hard to do in a unified system.

edited 28th Apr '11 3:35:37 AM by SCMof2814

There are multiple versions of the same basic spell using a different element and a very slightly different incantation in Negima for different effects. It doesn't contradict what has been stated earlier. Incantations/spell names are mental triggers increasing focus for the task of channeling mana for a spell. Consider homonyms. They sound the same but mean something entirely different. It is the same for incantations. Nanoha's Divine Buster is the name associated with a pink wave motion gun of kilometer range. Subaru's Divine Buster is the name associated with a relatively short burst of energy released on strike. We associated the name with Nanoha's version at first, because it was what we have seen happen and there was no evidence against it. Thus, Divine Buster was a long range shooting spell. Then came Subaru, who has created a different spell and named it the same (because she could).

Hayate didn't have magical power before obtaining the book. It was specifically stated that she was infused with it later. Hence why she can only use a very limited assortment of spells and with little control over their power.

According to Nanoha Wiki, the TSAB has an 11-rank system, from F to SSS. This rank depends on both skill of the individual, and on the output of their linker cores, hence why it is possible to have a Power Limiter in Strikers. As such, people ranked F can't effectively use magic, because of the minuscule amounts of mana produced by their linker cores. It is further stated in Vivid that sufficient training can increase that output, but as we have seen, it is a long and difficult process, and so only the ones with sufficient ambition (and enough power to start with) would go that route.

The seeming idiosyncrasy is a plot-critical element to Return to Mahora, and so I would not explore it in detail here. Suffice is to say, TSAB scans are based on the power of the linker core, as stated above.

edited 28th Apr '11 4:15:43 AM by Sinclair

Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.

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WALL OF TEXT TOO MUCH 4 ME!!!!

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