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SRW Kira is never really rewritten. He doesn't need to be, as they can work him into a typical protagonist group as he is.

It's just the reactions to him from the characters and the world around him that's different.

Although Master Asia isn't exactly one to talk about having too strong a Gundam when he's got a nanomachine regenerating super robot.

Indeed staying in an already damaged MS that just got stabbed through the chest by a beamsaber and is most likely inoperable at that point seems like a more sensible thing to do. It's not like a damaged MS can randomly blow up or that there pilots out there that blow up damaged MS in the middle of a battle.

But yes she did get killed off for ZZ and the seiyuu could voice Judeau's little sister. Shame wouldn't mind seeing the character in ZZ. Same with Katz, I think that character would fit right in ZZ.

So she was just unlucky is what you say.

Oh and, Turn A Question. If utilized properly, could the Turn A be used to solve the equation of the Alcubierre Drive?

@Irrose: About Jerid's death, yes his death is really tragic, honestly if Jerid would make a Death Equals Redemption can be cool too.

PD: For the SRW fans, in some game Jerid become a secret unit? Because he deserve his happy Ending more than Reccoa and Sarah.

edited 9th Oct '15 5:30:28 AM by KazuyaProta

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The only Titan member that consistently can be redeemed in various games is Four and sometimes Sarah and Reccoa. However I do know that there is a SD Gundam game with a hidden "Rival route" in which all the bad guys become the main playable characters (which includes Jerid, one of his girlfriends, and the three druggies along with the Dominion from SEED).

That's a nice attempt to shift the goalposts, but nobody's bothered to ask about anything besides Shinn, so we wouldn't discuss it anyways.

It's not "Only the creator does it right"; it's "Super Robot Wars was written for the same audience as Nobody Dies or XSGCOM; people who value 'hahaha that was awesome' above competent storytelling".

It's not about who does or does not deserve a swift kick in the crotch; it's about how it's delivered and whether it would be effective as such. (Honestly at the point you're talking about deserving in any context besides "in the eyes of the other characters" you've probably made a grave mistake; write the story, not the personal biases, as much as you can.) It's about whether the person is talking about Shinn Asuka, character of the hit series Gundam SEED Destiny, or Shinn Asuka, dude I made up who happens to look the same.

I'll be honest: I'd be really interested in a game or even just a story where Jerid and Kamille end up on the same side late-series; maybe something where his mentor and Mouar manage to survive until the point one or the other's sanity and morality becomes a problem and Scirocco or Yazan engineer their deaths...causing Jerid to defect.

Assuming I don't get there first. I have vague plans regarding A Feddie Story if I ever get to that point.

edited 9th Oct '15 7:02:35 AM by Night

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Umm didn't Gundam Vs Zeta Gundam have Kamille on the Titan's side during one route?

The scene where Shinn sides with Rey over Athrun is one of my favourites. The music, the atmosphere, the way Rey keeps interrupting at the right moment when Athrun is trying to get through to Shinn and Shinn's total breakdown and what would be considered an amazing use of flashback if the series wasn't so filled with flashbacks everywhere else too. It's awesome.

I hated that scene, but that was mostly because I was sick and tired of Athrun getting dumped on, and having yet another thing perfectly work out for Durandal.

@Night9th It's like how some Star Wars fans reject Darth Vader's portrayal in the prequels as Whine-akin Skywalker.

Durandal doesn't actually benefit from plot largess all that often. Pretty much everything that happens is either stuff he planned himself, stuff he could reasonably predict, or a Spanner in the Works that he's able to adapt to via Xanatos Speed Chess.

The random things that do seem to work out in his favor mostly involve people who have good reason to be suspicious of him choosing not to act on that information — including Lacus and Athrun (when they discover Meer), Luna (when she spies on Athrun and Kira), and Gladys (who clearly harbors reservations about Durandal for some time, though it's not clear exactly when or how they begin).

edited 9th Oct '15 10:58:49 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

No, it's pretty much completely unlike that. Lot of legitimate criticisms to be made there.

edited 9th Oct '15 11:08:12 AM by Night

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Not to be Offensive Dude but ¿what's With you and Star Wars comparisons?

"Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road—neither human, nor devil... All bends to my will." -Demifiend.

So instead of Bright slapped he got Basque punched?

@dood9780 I'm just saying that Gundam fans who complain about GSD aren't that different from the Star Wars fans who complain about the prequels "ruining their childhood".

Unknown.

What is known is that he goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge against the AEUG and fucks them up real good in a very kickass-looking black and green Zeta Gundam. But his anger is not sated yet, so he fucks up Axis too, then wipes the floor with Amuro in the finale.

And yes, he does fight alongside Jerid more than once.

edited 9th Oct '15 4:10:24 PM by amitakartok

¿Black and Green Zeta? i think that Might be a Reference to a Mobile Suit from a Strategy Game in a 'What If?' mode were Zeon won the One Year War simply Called Zeon's Gundam

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/gihrensgreed/zeonsgundam.htm

Yeah i really like to Bring Unknown trivia.

"Death's vastness holds no peace. I come at the end of the long road—neither human, nor devil... All bends to my will." -Demifiend.

SRW is above all else, a game first and foremost. They'll always choose having the most characters available to the player, or getting a complete game over the original message of the shows (It's probably against EVA to actually be able to get a win out of that, but nobody wants a 60 stage game you can't get past 53 of because "It's against the message of the show if you win, sorry")

So they aren't gonna take Shinn away from the player towards the end and waste all the time spent leveling him and pouring cash into him because it's truer to the story if he can't be reasoned with.

Although they've been less leniant about that lately.

You do know we've never really seen any sign that disabled MS are likely to randomly explode, right? They either blow right away or not at all, for the most part. The reason pilots abandon downed aircraft is the risk of fire. This is not a concern in vacuum, where this takes place. Pilots are also advised to, if possible, stay with the plane; it's easier to find then they are.

There are also pilots who blow up normal suits. The MS is marginally harder to kill. It's also far more likely to escape the notice of some bloodthirsty lunatic than an intact normal suit. Internal explosions or other damage could have killed the pilot of a damaged or incapacitated suit. On the other hand, a normal suit in motion is obviously a living person. The MS also provides far better protection from the deitrus of combat like shrapnel.

No, what Emma did was stupid no matter how you approach it. As long as the fight's going on, she doesn't have a reason to abandon her cockpit. She's safer there than she is just drifting around.

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It HAS happened before where a damaged MS was fine for a bit, then suddenly blew. See Stardust Memory.

But that's probably not what happened there. Emma was concerned for Reccoa (and Tomino wanted her to die to suit his plot) so she got out and was shot at.

Emma was doomed once her right's thrusters were damaged and she went back out into combat with nothing but a sled for propulsion.

And that was the Idiot Ball incarnate. It was stupid, she knew it was stupid, she did it anyway.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

She did take Reccoa out though. If she stayed safe on the ship, then Reccoa could have popped up at the Kamile and Char vs Sirocco and Haman fight with her "Ragh woman's betrayal" thing going on which could have gotten Kamille or Char, or both killed.

It's like when Lockon 1 when out with a missing eye. Yeah it was stupid and he paid for it, but he was able to sideline Ali, who otherwise would have been free to wreck in on all the other guys fights and would have probably gotten CB wiped out.

A MS is much easier to kill then someone in a normal suit simply because a MS is much easier to detect. The only way you're going to (visually) detect someone in a normal suit is if you happen to be really close. Shrapnel is dangerous but as long as you're far away from MS when it explodes you should be fine, poor Emma sadly enough wasn't far away enough.

Not in space, Shrapnel will keep going at the same speed it exploded at maybe actually speed up or curve via gravity but that is it.

Flying away just reduces your chances of not being in the line of fire from it and you would have to get pretty far away to have even decent odds of not having a suit puncture, at minimum.

A pilot probably has a better chance of surviving via staying with the wreck and waiting for rescue anyway. Communications are crap and finding a person in space is pretty much impossible, finding a suit is not.

edited 10th Oct '15 3:19:58 AM by Memers

I know but the further away you are from the explosion the more spread out the shrapnel is when it reaches your point and the less likely you get hit by it.

It could be that I'm underestimating the distance you have to be at in order to be statistically safe from the shrapnel. :p