The Pokédex - Extended Fanon Edition:

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151 Tangent12827th Mar 2010 09:41:16 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Not really much consensus on the data thing, I'm guessing.

We should probably move on to actual Pokémon entries. Which species first?

Meanwhile, how is training / the Pokémon League handled? Are starters routinely distributed ala the anime, or do trainers just start with whoever they can get? Is the League a governmental department, or a professional organization?

EDIT: Post 151! We should start with a Kanto species, then.

edited 27th Mar '10 9:41:46 PM by Tangent128

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152 Kinkajou27th Mar 2010 09:45:10 PM from you're not your
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Bulbasaur, of course.
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153 Pykrete27th Mar 2010 10:17:49 PM from Viridian Forest
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I'd say trainers start with whatever they happen to have (befriended, caught freehand, handed down from trainer parent/friend etc.), and a classic starter is provided by the League through certain middlemen (Oak, etc.) if they don't have one.

edited 27th Mar '10 10:18:53 PM by Pykrete

154 Kinkajou27th Mar 2010 10:21:39 PM from you're not your
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That would explain why Lyra owns a Marill.
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155 Tangent12827th Mar 2010 11:26:18 PM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Sensible enough.

One interesting note- in HG/SS, your character has a trainer card before ever getting a Pokémon. Perhaps a trainer card is given as proof of passing a simple theory test? Depending on the League's relationship to the government, it may be that you get carded when buying Pokéballs.

Anyways, Bulbasaur is a good starting point. What information do we want to establish?
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156 Kinkajou27th Mar 2010 11:27:21 PM from you're not your
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On how the plant on the back and the amphibian/reptile establish a symbiotic relationship, for starters.
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157 Pykrete28th Mar 2010 01:06:15 AM from Viridian Forest
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Well, if we're taking a biological analysis of this, we were gonna run into massive Squick sooner or later. Brain Bleach on standby from here out, fellas. And my roommate says welcome to pre-med.

The ingame Dex claims the seed is planted on the saur's back at birth by the mother — but we can observe the plant in place at hatching, in absence of the mother. This leaves two interpretations.

1) Motherless 'saurs don't get a plant and die soon after hatching. Those lucky enough to get the plant have its roots graft invasively into the lower spine while they're thankfully too young to remember the experience. 'Saur eggs in the game having the plant already are Gameplay and Story Segregation.

2) The plant symbiote penetrates the egg prior to laying...so I'd assume "seed" works on two different levels here.  * The plant grafting into the spine happens during embryonic development, which is at least a kind of ick we don't have to watch, and is basically in place by hatching.

edited 28th Mar '10 1:08:06 AM by Pykrete

158 Kinkajou28th Mar 2010 01:30:22 AM from you're not your
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The plant sends its seeds into the mother.
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159 AceOfScarabs28th Mar 2010 08:14:44 AM from Singapore , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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I prefer the idea that the plant is so bound up to the mother that the Bulbasaur zygote has a seed attached to it as it matures into an egg (in the wild). The germinating plant embryo will fuse with the maturing Bulbasaur embryo, and become a complete part of it as it hatches.

For bred Bulbasaurs (via Ditto), the copied geno-data will also include the data for the plant, which will be formed as part of the baby.

160 Neo_Crimson28th Mar 2010 08:56:10 AM from behind your lines.
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Did it ever say that the plant on its back, actually IS a parasitic/symbiotic plant and not just a plant-like organ?
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161 AceOfScarabs28th Mar 2010 09:04:50 AM from Singapore , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Maybe the Bulbasaur species stole the whole genome for a plant and incorporated it into their DNA! After all, humans did the same with some viruses.
162 Kinkajou28th Mar 2010 09:22:24 AM from you're not your
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That would work. Bulbasaurs are animal lichens.
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Cheeky son of a....
I second(third?) that. If we're in agreement, what comes next?
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164 AceOfScarabs28th Mar 2010 09:37:50 AM from Singapore , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Squirtle Family next! Let's talk about the biological pressure cannons Blastoise has!
165 Kinkajou28th Mar 2010 09:39:33 AM from you're not your
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And why Squirtle and Wartortle have decidedly mammalian tails.
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166 Neo_Crimson28th Mar 2010 10:02:17 AM from behind your lines.
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I'm pretty sure the Squitle family stores large amounts of water in a chamber in their shells, which is then drained into a special organ and fired at high pressures via muscles. Blastoise's cannons, while metallic looking, are made of bones with the muscles responsible for spraying at the base of the barrel, and possibly down the length.

As for the tails, maybe they just evolved tails like that to attract mates or something.
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167 Kinkajou28th Mar 2010 10:03:18 AM from you're not your
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So a Blastoise empties its swimming bladder through the cannons?
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168 AceOfScarabs28th Mar 2010 10:13:19 AM from Singapore , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Ballast guns!
169 Neo_Crimson28th Mar 2010 10:16:27 AM from behind your lines.
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Aren't Swimming Bladders filled with air, not water?

And no, they're separate organs used to store water specifically for the cannons.
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170 AceOfScarabs28th Mar 2010 10:21:25 AM from Singapore , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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Perhaps a Ballast Bladder, then. I'm sure there's an animal somewhere that needs a ballast bladder to sink into the water.
171 Kinkajou28th Mar 2010 10:22:44 AM from you're not your
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Hmm, so a Squirtle line would have ballast bladders - when emptied they float, and they sink to hunt.
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172 LouieW28th Mar 2010 10:23:18 AM from Babycowland
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I buy what Neo Crimson said about the Squirtle family. It sounds reasonable enough. Perhaps their tails were meant to help protect themselves or be used as a type of tool before they are able to shoot water.

I think it needs to be said (if it has not already) that any Pokedex information from the games should be taken with a grain of salt. The Pokedex entries tend to say some unbelievable and probably exaggerated things that seem inconsistent with how Pokemon actually are. For legendary Pokemon I suppose the explanation for their dex entries would be that they are just recounting legends, but it seems kind of difficult to use that as a justification for the entries of the other Pokemon.

edited 28th Mar '10 10:23:50 AM by LouieW

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173 Neo_Crimson28th Mar 2010 10:37:08 AM from behind your lines.
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^Indeed, Magcargo is the most egregious though. I seriously doubt that it's internal body temperature is twice as hot as the surface of the sun...
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174 Kinkajou28th Mar 2010 10:46:18 AM from you're not your
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If it were then the Pokemon world should have burned already.
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175 Tangent12828th Mar 2010 10:49:51 AM from Virginia , Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
I think it needs to be said (if it has not already) that any Pokedex information from the games should be taken with a grain of salt.

That would be half the motivation for this project. tongue

Next couple posts will be the entries for the Bulbasaur and Squirtle lines, then. The above biology looks good, but what about habitat and diet information? Courting and childrearing?
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