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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#113126: Jan 21st 2017 at 4:40:20 AM

They grow hearts but Roxas seems to have begun with a heart.

No, he really didn't.

There are Dusks with more emotional range than Roxas started with.

So we know Roxas is using both Ventus' and Sora's keyblades. Roxas has Sora's body. What does Roxas have from Ventus that allows him to use Ventus' keyblade?

That's not how it works, though. Nomura literally says that Roxas can use two because Sora can, and Roxas is part of Sora. Like. Case closed. Done. Roxas having anything from Ventus not necessary.

Why is he using Ventus' keyblade then?

Because Sora can, and Roxas is part of Sora.

Namine is born in Castle Oblivion though so she could possibly have Ventus' heart but Nomura points out that KH II Sora is using Ventus' keyblade and his own. So Ventus' heart can't be in Namine or Kairi.

I know. I was posing a hypothetical.

Reading the interview unnoun linked at the top of the page, it's really interesting to see just how much of the plot Nomura had planned out in advance. Like how the naming convention for the Organization wasn't chosen at random and was actually a setup for the x-Blade.

...So, have you played 3D, or?

So again, Roxas has Sora's body? What does Roxas have from Ventus that would make Ventus qualified as Roxas' real self? A connection just doesn't

I mean. A Nobody's real self is based on who their Heartless is. If Ven's heart stuck with Sora's, then Roxas was formed when those two combined hearts fell to darkness together.

edited 21st Jan '17 6:01:00 AM by unnoun

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#113127: Jan 21st 2017 at 8:46:02 PM

There are Dusks with more emotional range than Roxas started with.

Is the manga canon?

Okay but then you're proposing that Roxas grew a heart within a week? Because he's already able to show emotions by that point.

That's not how it works, though. Nomura literally says that Roxas can use two because Sora can, and Roxas is part of Sora. Like. Case closed. Done. Roxas having anything from Ventus not necessary.

Sora can use two because he has Ventus' heart as well as his own.

Ventus isn't a part that makes up Sora's body. He's a heart that exists alongside Sora within his body.

And Sora never uses two until Roxas learns to use two.

I mean. A Nobody's real self is based on who their Heartless is. If Ven's heart stuck with Sora's, then Roxas was formed when those two combined hearts fell to darkness together.

"If"

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#113128: Jan 21st 2017 at 9:19:06 PM

Ventus isn't a part that makes up Sora's body. He's a heart that exists alongside Sora within his body.

That's not really relevant.

And Sora never uses two until Roxas learns to use two.

I mean, it's Nomura's explanation.

"If"

I mean, what Nomura said is "Perhaps".

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#113129: Jan 22nd 2017 at 5:50:00 AM

So they say that they aren't changing any of the games in 1.5 + 2.5 but I personally really hope/wish that they would add a "retry" option like in BBS.

Anyone else have ideal changes to the games in that correction? Minor or otherwise?

Like, I did like how 1.5 changed some things. With Combo Master and EXP Zero. And the ability to skip cutscenes the first time.

edited 22nd Jan '17 5:59:50 AM by unnoun

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#113130: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:01:16 AM

Leviathans in the 1000 Heartless battle? tongue

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#113131: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:04:12 AM

Actual 1000 Heartless Battle with bigger Heartless?

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#113132: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:09:47 AM

Kingdom Hearts Zero,Keyblade War Musou.

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#113133: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:25:58 AM

Kingdom Hearts Warriors would be so awesome. It'd basically be the 1000 Heartless battle but with even more Heartless and with far more on screen at once.

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#113134: Jan 22nd 2017 at 9:40:36 AM

[up]x5 II should get minor QoL changes like letting you access your inventory and stuff in the world map. That's the only thing I can think of that isn't related to fixing bugs found in the II.5 version since the game is already well-designed (especially for Level 1).

edited 22nd Jan '17 9:43:16 AM by Karxrida

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#113135: Jan 22nd 2017 at 5:53:34 PM

Another thing I've always wondered is why young Xehanort has almost the exact same design as Terra.

Is Nomura trying to force a parallel there between Xehanort-Terra and Ventus-Sora?

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#113136: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:08:20 PM

If anybody is curious, the speedrun record for 0.2 is 26:02 on Beginner.

[up] Ventus only kind of resembles Sora. He even has a different facial model iirc.

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#113137: Jan 22nd 2017 at 6:18:01 PM

I follow a guy who has been trying to beat that record...wonder why his runs aren't up yet, I'm pretty sure he's beat at least the 6th place person.

Edit: Yeah, his time is 28:19, not sure why he's not up there...unless I'm looking at the wrong speedrunning site.

edited 22nd Jan '17 6:30:21 PM by stargirl93

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#113140: Jan 22nd 2017 at 11:38:52 PM

Beat Re:Coded (again)!

It's definitely one of my favorite games in the series, even if only the ending of the game really matters. The story was still good, and nothinf felt like i was retreading old ground.

Something that I caught- Maleficent considers Data Sora saving her repayment for her saving Sora in II.

Castle Oblivion was amazingly done and is certainly a fantastic end world.

My only issues with Re: Coded are the controls being really wonky at points (never got used to auto-jumping) and the fact that some of the world gimmicks just aren't fun (I'm looking at you Olympus). It's a shame it never got a rerelease, because a Re: Re: Coded would be an absolute delight to play.

Now onto TWEWY so I'm all ready to play DDD on Console!

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#113141: Jan 22nd 2017 at 11:49:00 PM

Can you please tell me what was good about Re:coded's story?

I'm not trying to be condescending, it's just that I can't remember anything about it other than the cliffnotes.

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#113142: Jan 23rd 2017 at 12:10:45 AM

Basically there was always a good reason why Data Sora is where he is, and whatever Data Sora is doing contributes to the overall natrative as well as directly relating to it

There was never a point in Re: Coded where I was like "why am i here?" or "how does this relate to the journal and it's bugs?".

It wasn't anything super unique and deep and astounding, mind you, and in relation to the whole series Re: Coded's story is mostly pointless and doesn't go anywhere (save for literally only the last world).

so overall it's good because character motivations, individual worlds, and the overall plot flow together perfectly, even if the events themselves don't matter in the grand scheme of things

edited 23rd Jan '17 12:12:55 AM by EpicBleye

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#113143: Jan 23rd 2017 at 1:36:14 AM

I actually had the most fun with Olympus (and I was disappointed Cloud hadn't said that Cerberus was familiar in the movie). I'm pretty sure I hated Wonderland (especially its boss) the most.

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#113144: Jan 23rd 2017 at 4:54:31 AM

> Leviathans in the 1000 Heartless battle?

And Wyverns too

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#113145: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:18:14 AM

it's really interesting to see just how much of the plot Nomura had planned out in advance.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#113146: Jan 23rd 2017 at 6:46:56 AM

I mean. There is planning, at least.

BBS was planned during KH 2, 3D was planned during coded. coded's ending. coded's Episode 8.

Actually, not even, that was all Re:coded only.

0.2 is. I mean. It's hard to tell. It depends on how much of it is actually Volume 2 and how much of it is "HOLY SHIT KH 3 is taking a long time for us, these worlds are a bitch to program for, quick somebody stall for time".

edited 23rd Jan '17 6:49:14 AM by unnoun

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#113147: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:51:08 AM

Damn, the wait for KH 3 news can be pretty vexing sometimes.

Any word on when we can expect said news?

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#113148: Jan 23rd 2017 at 7:52:50 AM

any news on when we're getting the news?

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#113149: Jan 23rd 2017 at 5:19:51 PM

I'm sure we'll get news about another delay, plus another trolling joke, soon enough.

But don't worry, I'm also sure they'll additionally announce another Gaiden game with more Original Generation mysterious characters.

edited 23rd Jan '17 5:21:15 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

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#113150: Jan 23rd 2017 at 5:25:19 PM

Give it a rest, buddy.

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