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RedHunter543 Team Rocket Boss. Since: Jan, 2018 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#14101: Mar 20th 2024 at 7:29:49 PM

I feel like Gate would have this belief unironically but without wanting genocide.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/download_11_48.png

It depends on if you want him to be a navigator before X6 or after though. I feel post, he'd just keep his passive aggressive thoughts to himself.

Granted, I think in either case, he'd also have low opinions on less advanced reploids.

And he would be the second racist navigator the maverick hunters hired in this hypothetical scenario.

Can anyone guess who the first is? [lol]

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 20th 2024 at 10:30:43 PM

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#14102: Mar 22nd 2024 at 7:50:23 AM

While listening to Double's theme in X4, I encountered this comment by one terminalvelociotyhunter2202:

What if, and I'm just spitballing, Double is the ultimate evolution of the classic games' Devil robot family? He splits apart when you use his weakness on him, is made mostly of gel/liquid/non-solid substance, and he even calls one of his attacks "Devil Slash" in some versions (Evil Slash most often b/c of stupid anti-religious localization policies during the time of release).

Someone else named legendxcarrisso made this reply"

That's EXACTLY the point. There's a reason his ACTUAL japanese name is "Jello Man". Also the fact in the Japanese version of the game, his EVIL SLASH is actually called DEVIL SLASH. Also if you consider one of his attacks (Split Attack Cutters) uses the exact same text as the Devil Split Attack... yeah. This abomination was in-fact an evolution of a Devil.

Is this a good theory, or was it just overthinking what may be a mere Continuity Nod?

Edited by HallowHawk on Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:01:36 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#14103: Mar 22nd 2024 at 8:24:23 PM

I'm not over how silly Jello Man sounds.

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#14104: Mar 23rd 2024 at 2:14:47 AM

Not the first time a Mega Man character had a silly sounding name. Take Hard Man, for example!

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Jaryl from Austria Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#14105: Mar 23rd 2024 at 3:08:07 AM

where the hell did "Jello Man is Double's ACTUAL japanese name" come from?

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#14106: Mar 23rd 2024 at 3:41:23 AM

Apparently, the official soundtrack for Double's theme in Mega Man X4 refers to him as "Double Jello Man".

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Durazno Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#14107: Mar 23rd 2024 at 3:45:41 AM

I could see Double as a derivation of the devils, possibly even ultimate. I'd propose that the Black Devil from X5 is more powerful than him in combat, but less advanced.

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#14108: Mar 23rd 2024 at 3:47:06 AM

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I've looked up the Mega Man X soundtracks, and the first six games got collected into one soundtrack apparently back in the day, and the track listing just says "DOUBLE" here: https://vgmdb.net/album/256

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#14109: Mar 23rd 2024 at 3:47:56 AM

[up][up] That Black Devil could be a Devil made directly by Dr. Wily using 20XX tech.

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#14110: Mar 23rd 2024 at 5:40:20 AM

On calling Double Jello Man, personally, I only assumed that was a Fan Nickname because of the purple fluid running across Slim Double's body.

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#14111: Mar 24th 2024 at 5:23:05 AM

Idly: how would it be if Isoc turned out to be not Wily Reborn, but an executor - the agent that Wily built specially to carry his plans beyond the grave. Possibly, Isoc would argue that holo-Light is the same sort of thing, but lying about it.

"But that's only fitting. Light was more like Wily than he'd ever admit, so why should the same not be true of their executors?"

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#14112: Mar 24th 2024 at 5:46:47 AM

That would be more akin to having henchmen still carrying out orders rather than something like the Light holograms.

As far as we know, Dr. Wily exists through the Maverick virus.

Somehow.

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#14113: Mar 24th 2024 at 5:55:57 AM

[up][up] and [up] It helps that the one who called Zero the strongest robot was marked as "??", thus it's easy to assume Wily and Isoc are separate characters and that the former only possessed the latter to encourage Zero to defeat Sigma.

Edited by HallowHawk on Mar 24th 2024 at 5:56:27 AM

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#14114: Mar 24th 2024 at 6:20:05 AM

Are the voices in JP different tho?

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#14115: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:01:17 AM

[up] No. They're both Takeshi Aono. Doesn't hurt the theory as Aono also voiced Ground Scaravich in the same game.

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#14116: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:26:06 AM

Yeah, my notion was that Isoc would be arguing that the Light holograms are just an artificial henchman that Light created, rather than "actually" being Dr. Light in any sense. With a side of thinking that Light was a giant hypocrite who's only pretending to be good, (because evil does not comprehend good), so it makes sense that the henchman is lying about his true nature, too.

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#14117: Mar 24th 2024 at 8:46:57 AM

From a certain point of view, brain uploading into a hologram makes a copy, not the original person. So Wily henchman could have some basis to argue this

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#14118: Mar 24th 2024 at 11:46:56 AM

Granted, in this theory, Isoc would be a separate albeit loyal individual to Wily, while the Light holograms just act like Light and don’t directly affect the plot aside from upgrading X and at one point repairing him.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 25th 2024 at 2:47:06 AM

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#14119: Mar 24th 2024 at 2:52:34 PM

There's a possibility that rather than truly surviving to the X series, the Light and Wily that show up behind the scenes are AI clones of their consciousness they set up beforehand. The concept of uploading your consciousness isn't really explored in too much detail until Zero. Though I bet you only Wily would refuse to accept that.

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#14120: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:03:30 PM

Wily having an AI doppelganger makes the most sense to me. Particularly if he's using it to body hop.

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#14121: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:08:54 PM

Reminds me of the discussion on if Sigma truly does come back from defeat or if it's just duplicate program with all the exact memories up until the point of death.

Heck, there's even an argument that Sigma died the moment the virus infected him, and the virus thinks it's Sigma.

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#14122: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:41:00 PM

On that note: If X9 ever sees the light of day, I hope they give us an actual new antagonist and stick with it, instead of doing a Hijacked by Ganon at the last second. We need brand new villains instead of the exact same foe again and again.

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#14123: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:48:57 PM

Gate: “It’s me, X! I’m back again! Just kidding, I’m being puppeted by Dynamo!”

X: “Never would have guessed Dynamo for endboss material. … I will enjoy kicking his ass though”

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#14124: Mar 24th 2024 at 7:58:25 PM

Then it turns out, the real mastermind was CRORQ all along!

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