But then see Real Women Never Wear Dresses. Another issue with Lisa is that while the Simpsons usually makes a point of avoiding the Animation Age Ghetto, she really sometimes seems like the kind of character that even kids think is annoying and preachy that you normally find in Glurge.
OMG Shiny Pidgey!^ true... True...
Hyenas pwn wolvesLately the Simpsons has been degenerating to the level of the other "adult" cartoons, so it really doesn't matter anymore.
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OMG Shiny Pidgey!It's called competition, my friend.
Hyenas pwn wolvesIts still sad toilet humour sells more than intelligent humor.
edited 9th Aug '10 12:26:11 PM by Falconfly
Better to serve Hades than Yahweh
titleAs a 14 year old boy, Lisa Simpson is the only cartoon character I really have a crush on. Their fault for giving a supposedly 8 year old character the script of a college student.
That's another good point. In the future episodes, Lisa's personality is pretty much unchanged except that it actually works. Bart should have been the younger one.
Indeed"As a 14 year old boy, Lisa Simpson is the only cartoon character I really have a crush on." The quote at the top of Perverse Sexual Lust may be relevant to your situation. Also, I don't watch the Simpsons much, but I like Lisa.
titleLOL. I never said I wanted to get in bed with her.
OMG Shiny Pidgey!^ We DO have a Smiley for that now > <. Just kiddin' with ya though Lisa really doesn't bother me much. Krusty has his Jerk Ass moments, though...
Taco Wiz is a pedo hahaha
"Bart should have been the younger one." When I first watched the show, I would have agreed with you (Lisa would have been able to beat up Bart!), but thinking about it as a young adult, I like it better with Lisa as the little sister. For one thing, all big brothers like to tease and pull pranks on their little sisters, but if the little sister's wise beyond her years, it's evenly matched and it's more likely to have funny consequences than Bart just being a bully. Remember the Science Fair episode? It's also good for giving Bart some 'Pet the Dog' moments when he's gone too far. Also, those childhood memories in Lisa On Ice? D'aaww! As a younger sibling, I also like that it subverts the stereotype that all older siblings are good, responsible and intelligent while all younger siblings are stupid brats that are Karma Houdinis or Loads- it may look like that in the media and in a few families you know, but it's not all youngest kids and not all the time. They don't always live to torment their older siblings, be a burden on the family and get spoiled by everyone. In fact, Lisa usually gets taken for granted by her family and cares more about her personal projects than about causing trouble, which is a really rare depiction. The only problem in later seasons is that she is turned into a mouthpiece sometimes, in the same way the creators famously turned Ned Flanders from a well-meaning Christian who turned the other cheek, and seemed to respect other religions, into an intolerant prick who won't leave Apu alone. I also like her more when she's a modest, well-meaning little girl who really wants to help people (The Mensa episode, and the 'Eva Peron' episode) than when she's snarky like a teenager and determined to tell people they're completely wrong all the time (The one about Evolution- I think everyone was a prick there). But I still like Lisa, she's the most caring and sensitive character in the series after Marge became a whiny, resentful Desperate Housewife. Sorry for being disgustingly preachy, but I'm really sick of pop psychology and 'news' shows saying that I must have been a spoilt little horror with no brain cells or talent. I think the stereotypes about birth order really need to be subverted for everyone, because this can really blind people to real issues within a family.
I think that's because every younger sibling character on TV is based on the writer's memories of having younger siblings, who at some point are usually the most annoying thing in their lives, usually when you're a teenager.
OMG Shiny Pidgey!^ well, what else do you expect? I mean, a key to writing is to base some situations on things about life and parts from your life, for either funniness or heartwarming moments.
When I was watching this show ten years ago, Lisa was probably my favorite character. But somewhere along the line, her character just got derailed immensely and made me seriously dislike her. Then again, the same can be said of Principle Skinners, Ned Flanders, Apu, and many other characters that I used to like, but now can no longer stand. I think Bart's the only character who hasn't lost a huge chunk of respect from me.
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An Rí na GnéaschiapadhIn a word: she's insufferable.
We have a natural right to make use of our pens as of our tongue, at our peril, risk and hazard. ~Voltaire
In the name of the POWER, I will punish you!She ends up being used as more of a political mouthpiece than a character. It wouldn't be so bad if she had some actual competition, but every single time she opens her mouth on an issue, most of the cast becomes utterly brainless strawmen for the most extreme end of other side. There's no middle ground: Lisa's completely right and the others are all morons. If she was less political, I might actually like her somewhat.
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" Futurama, Godfellas
Raven Wilder^ Why do people keep saying this, when she does the political mouthpiece thing only a couple times per season?
"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko
Proud Hippie GeekLisa's awesome. People whine about her being preachy and stuff, but what part of Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped do people not get? Yeah, she's preachy, but in the context of the show, at least, she's often right.
"To be great is to be misunderstood."-Ralph Waldo Emerson
An Open Book^ Yeah, but that's just it: within the context of the show. Sometimes it feels like the other characters and events were set up JUST to provide Lisa with something to be right about.
edited 29th Sep '10 7:33:25 AM by TobiasDrake
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:VSome anvils need to be dropped is subjective and my complaint was that she was a mouse piece for the views of the writers and was a boring character. I was never amused by her or stories that revolved around her so shes a failure as a character in a series designed around entertainment in my eyes. I dislike the series now in general because its boring and don't amuse me.
Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.
Sailing the Skies!@Raven It's because she is preachy in every episode revolving mostly around her, of which there are only a few per season. Otherwise she isn't a bad character. Also the title seems a bit generalized, don'cha think?
edited 12th Oct '10 4:09:55 PM by Alfric
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Also, that title seems a little generalized, don'cha think?What? You mean to tell me that Americans aren't all a single blob with a uniform opinion? My whole life has been a lie!
Things make people happyMaybe I haven't watched enough new episodes, but to me it seems that Lisa is almost always wrong about everything she does. All her suggestions to try and fix things seem to end up falling apart in order to make sure that the Status Quo stays the same.
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Santa ClawI have to go with what Alfric said. I don't hate her, I just tend to dislike it whan a character gets preachy.
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