Raildex verse (A Certain Magical Index, A Certain Scientific Railgun, A Certain Scientific Accelerator)

That puts disproportionate emphasis on the Magical side of things while de-emphasizing the Science side, though. Heck, the "Index" part is practically an Artifact Title due to the eponymous character becoming much less central to the plot after her specific arc early on, even though she retains major character status.

edited 11th Oct '14 12:41:21 PM by MarqFJA

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But it's also the name of the series.

It's totally proportionate given that it's the title.

There's no official 'verse title to use as a franchise page. Raildex is the one the English fandom uses, and To Aru ("A Certain") what the Japanese one uses, but we can't make a franchise page with either of those titles.

Yet we went and used Lyrical Nanoha as the collective name for the Nanohaverse franchise, even though not only the "Lyrical" part became an Artifact Title starting from the second season (and it was already gradually going out of usage throughout the first season, starting from episode 3), but the "Girl" part of "Magical Girl" was taken out altogether once the fourth, manga-only installment was made, giving us "Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha Froce".

Besides, nowhere have I even suggested that I want to rename the franchise article on this site, anyway.

edited 11th Oct '14 1:13:00 PM by MarqFJA

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I don't honestly think it really matters, as long as people know what's being talked about. "Raildex Verse" is far more convenient to say than an entire sentence, though.

In any case, "A Certain Magical Index" is still the franchise name. If I were to tell someone about Railgun, I wouldn't say it was a stand-alone thing; I'd say it was a spin-off of the original series. The importance of characters changing over time doesn't change what the original name was, which is probably the most important factor in figuring out what a good, recognizable name for a franchise would be - it's likely going to be the most familiar to people.

edited 11th Oct '14 2:10:11 PM by clockworkBabbage

Agreed, though I don't think that should stop us from coming with a different-yet-equivalent Fan Nickname that is more... "formal-sounding", if you will. Just for Fun, you know?

Officially, yes. Doesn't making a sensible choice given the reasons that I listed, though. Just in case it needs to be reiterated, though, there are at least two spin-offs that use the format A Certain Magical and Scientific X for their titles, so something tells me that I'm not the only one who thinks that there is no need to apply an Artifact Title when a more plausible alternative is possible.

Good point, given the fact that the official name of the franchise is identical to the first and so-far-main installment.

You don't see Wikipedia or other such big-name sources call the Fate sub-franchise of the Nasuverse the "Fate/stay night franchise", do you? This is my point: You shouldn't have to stick the whole original name if even the creator(s) only use part of it for much of their spin-offs when it makes sense to do so (i.e. when the focus is shifted from Magic to Science — or, in some of the more fanciful spin-offs, to something else entirely).

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When the official title is the most commonly used I don't see any reason not to use it.

edited 11th Oct '14 3:27:20 PM by Arha

That's exactly what happens though.

I don't see how that is incompatible with promoting parallel usage of an alternate Fan Nickname.

News flash: They don't. (Look at the boxes at the bottom of the first link to see what I mean.)

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Well... I, personally, don't feel much of a need for a "formal-sounding" fan nickname. But I definitely don't feel strongly enough about that to argue.

Again, as long as people are able to communicate effectively using whatever terms they use, I'm not going to care too much one way or the other. I'm fine with using "A Certain Magical Index" if it's clear from context that it's talking about the whole franchise or universe (and it generally is, because most of the time I see people just say Index when talking about only the main series). I'm fine with using "Raildex" to refer to the universe, because those are the two most prominent components and it's easy to type out. I'm fine with "A Certain Magical and Scientific ___________," although I personally wouldn't use it because I don't want to type that out all the time.

Tvtropes trying to promote its own names for things rarely works out.

have some NT 11 illustrations peeps.

Touma's Esper ability seems to be extreme arm bending.◊

so tiny!◊

kinkeh villain gear!◊

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More importantly, illustrations and stuff are up on BT now. Which means translation is just around the corner.

Ah. So he used to be a martial artist.

Shocker.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

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He goes to Russia as well. As for the rest, clockwork summarizes it all perfectly.

Also, there are apparently interesting notes from Kamachi on Haimura's (the illustrator if you didn't know) site:

• Kamachi describes the mecha appearing this volume, "Five Over=Outsider" (aka. FOOS) as a "使徒" (shito; lit. apostle), in a clear reference to Evangelion (for those who don't know, that is how the Angels that appear in the series are called in the original Japanese version).
• He also admits that the resemblance between the villain and the original design for Shokuhou are intentional. It appears this originates from the conceptual basis behind her character as "an unlucky girl, who couldn't become Shokuhou".
• About young Shokuhou's design, he admits that any complains about "how can a middle school girl grow up so much in a single year?!" are all valid, but things became like this - and I quote - "due the appeals of a certain source".... Also, he comments on how she would resemble a certain someone if you change her hair and eye colors, and that such resemblance was intentional.
• Finally, Kamachi says that the reason why he chose to change his design of the cover in order to partially hide Kamijou was so to give more impact to that two-page illustration, so it would become the only instance we see his face.

Incidentally, Outsider is suspected to be the name of the Sixth Level 5's ability, if we go with the pattern of the previous mechas.

edited 14th Oct '14 11:15:26 AM by allfictions

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*flips table*

edited 14th Oct '14 11:18:48 AM by clockworkBabbage

Wait, what?

Is he talking about lolicon shit?

Maybe? Idunno.

It's just upsetting knowing that the author realizes it's dumb but put it in anyway.

Or maybe that quote was from Haimura (it's a tad unclear who these comments are from), which leaves open the possibility that the "certain source" was Kamachi, in which case ugh.

edited 14th Oct '14 12:15:01 PM by clockworkBabbage

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The first thing Touma did in the series was, what, run several blocks without getting winded? He's also a masterful street fighter, despite having no known training, and not being the sort of guy to pick fights, and given his luck probably not win them if so.

That missing detail bugged me when he took down Accelerator the first time, in the anime at least. Touma was all over the place in that fight.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Well, he's not exactly a "masterful" street fighter. He basically describes himself as competent. Also, it's mentioned in the novels (such as the fight with Accelerator and in the Angel Fall arc when Tsuchimikado - who actually does have martial arts training - beats the crap out of him) that Touma's pretty much learned things by just brawling. Sure, being self-taught gets you plenty of bad habits, but you're magnitudes better than anyone who's completely inexperienced - and most people he goes up against rely on their abilities rather than fists, so he's quite a bit better than them.

Being able to run forever is also easily explained by just street fighting, which is definitely going to lead to running away if things go poorly for you - because street fights are dangerous.

Touma's bad luck also seems to magically disappear when he's actually in a dangerous situation, so there's that.

As for the Accelerator fight, the way it's been portrayed is that Accelerator just subconsciously wanted someone to stop him. It's pretty explicitly stated in NT 10 that, were he ever legitimately trying to beat Touma, there wouldn't even be a contest.

edited 15th Oct '14 3:11:06 PM by clockworkBabbage

So some more parts were translated. Parameter List dickery is still going strong I see.

Also I think super fast rollerskating suicide bombers is my favorite use of AC tech now.

Also i'm kind of worried Touma just killed a guy.

edited 14th Oct '14 10:51:20 PM by redacer

That does raise a question though as to whether he could beat the Invisible Thing too there. Not sure how that fight would play out, but IIRC it ranked above his Awakened form on the power chart—not bad for something which barely ever gets so much as mentioned.

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iirc the Invisible Thing is between Aiwass and Aleister on the scale?

edited 15th Oct '14 2:56:52 PM by alekos23

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