World Of Warcraft

FFXIV also touched on Light being a bad thing. There, too much Light just completely obliterated everything to the point where there wasn't even an afterlife (there was even a group who tried to send the world into complete darkness so they could avoid this).

I doubt they will go full on "All Light is evil" because they still need to have Paladins and Priests utilize it.

I doubt they will go full on "All Light is evil" because they still need to have Paladins and Priests utilize it.

I thought about that and wondered if the Alliance Priests and Paladins can find their own alternatives to the Holy Light like the Horde's Blood Knights (Sunwell) and Sunwalkers (An'she).

edited 16th May '18 9:33:17 PM by sgamer82

I'm more talking about a world where Light has been shunned because of too many times it's been used as "Too much light is bad". If the theme of 'Light' has been deconstructed, time to reconstruct it. Going by your definition, it would be on how Paladins suddenly was shunned because "You use Holy Light? Don't you know that too much Holy Light is BAD!?", everyone else then turned to Darkness on the belief on Dark Is Not Evil (and they're not wholly wrong either), and it's the Paladin's job to restore their reputation and the Holy Light's reputation.

edited 16th May '18 9:36:05 PM by ChrisX

It's possible but there's also Lightforged Draenei to consider as well.

Well as a Death Knight, it's about time those uppity Paladins had their turn to be the pariahs so I'm down.

edited 16th May '18 9:39:20 PM by LordVatek

If that means the Light dudes will have to work their ass off to prove their inner goodness, I'm all for it. Problem is, they just stop at 'Light dudes are jerks fundamentally'. Usually.

edited 16th May '18 9:41:51 PM by ChrisX

I said this elsewhere but I'll say it here in support of that

Changing over from generic fantasy good vs. evil to more philosophical order v chaos, with both extremes being bad and both moderation being okay, this could be a huge, positive change for Warcraft's narrative. Unfortunately I expect that Blizzard will take this change and do the writing equivalent of dropping it on its head as a baby, then insisting the skull fracture is "just a bump" until it dies.

Elune will put her foot down and make moonlight to be the balance between the two.

Oh hey, we're doing Dragonlance again.

Like it wasn't profoundly fucking irritating in the first place.

Without the oppressive Fel aligned Burning Legion we might actually see all major powers show some teeth. Remember, Light and Void aren't the only ones. And we can't just generalize all Light/Void users as uniform force with a single goal.

edited 17th May '18 4:37:48 AM by googlebot

Man, I feel like I'm the only person who doesn't read the expansion spoilers sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Nps99J5Oc

So this reviews a few things about the recent leak. The Desolate Council were all slaughtered by Sylvanas. It actually was Calia Menethil that ended up accidentally screwing up the peace talks and turns out she is some sort of light cleansed undead now which is kinda interesting considering the fate of her brother.

Sylvanas was paranoid that she was going to witness a massive Forsaken defection which obviously was going to hamstring her power as a leader quite a lot. She killed the Desolate Council to eliminate that threat to her power and killed Calia because she presumed she was an Alliance member trying to make a power play essentially.

Basically, politics and paranoia screwed everything up.

edited 17th May '18 4:27:01 PM by Wispy

Okay so it was the Old Gods' fault. They inspired Sargeras to make the Burning Legion which has Kil'jaeden who turned Ner'zhul into the Lich King who corrupted Arthas, making Calia run away and also killing Sylvanas and resurrecting her into a vengeful undead, thus making the two eventually meet.

edited 17th May '18 4:31:07 PM by LordVatek

And once again, make Sylvanas the culprit again, and make that ass Greymane look right again. You can only sing the same old song for so many times until you get sick of it. I'll be packing my stuffs in a bit.

Where's Ideon when you need it?

About 'politic': It makes me wonder. Where was the point that Warcraft decided to include 'politic screwages' into its story, or just make it more prominent onto the characterization? Makes me wonder if Warcraft should've instead gone for a politic-free swashbuckling adventure route. And maybe it's just me, but is 'inserting politic elements' a fetish in Western works? I don't think this is only in Warcraft, you know.

edited 17th May '18 8:32:32 PM by ChrisX

It's not, people seem to have a hard-on for political intrigue these days, it's one of those things where society's wants/populars are fitting in with the current mood, like how comedies did better during the recession in the mid 00s, but now action flicks are the big thing. I read an interesting documentary a while back about how the current climate of economic and political society influences what media we consume, how we consume it, and how it's written in the future, I just can't find it again.

I might be skirting CREJ, but Warcraft's divided politics could possibly be influenced by the current division in the US about well... lots of stuff. I could see someone getting stabbed to death for saying a burger with ground turkey is better than ground beef, so currently-written fiction holding lots of tension and conflict is just a sign of the times.

edited 17th May '18 9:24:56 PM by NaraNumas

I am in the middle about this. On one hand I can very easily see what Sylvanas is doing. She is using politics as an excuse to kill anyone whom may disapprove of her in her ranks and is then using their deaths as an excuse to kick off the war.

On the other hand I really like the idea of the Desolate Council and it would of been really interesting to see an neutral Forsaken faction. This clearly wasn't their fault that things went wrong (mostly Sylvanas's and a small bit Calia's). Sadly Blizzard nipped what could of been an interesting faction before it really grew into anything.

edited 17th May '18 11:46:14 PM by Wispy

Calling what Blizzard's doing "political intrigue" is a pretty charitable description, to be honest.

I kinda fell off the WoW train in early Legion for various reasons (private life, stopped doing RP etc), but I still like to keep an eye on how the story develops.

Not quite sure I like what I'm seeing so far.

x4

I mean, there was the Orcish Civil War in WarCraft II, where the war between Gul'Dan's Clans and Orgrim Doomhammer's Clans resulted in the Alliance successfully defeating the Horde and enslaving the Orcs. I'd argue that was the first time 'Politic Screwages' played a role in Warcraft Lore...

That's still a safer way to execute it before suddenly in WoW it went overboard.

Didn't the (canon) orc campaign of the original Warcraft feature your player character taking over the horde from Blackhand?

If I remember correctly, yes. The orc general back then was Orgrim Doomhammer.

edited 19th May '18 10:42:13 AM by Pyxo

Preview of the first of three comics for Battle For Azeroth. The first one is going to focus on Jaina.

Minor little detail that kinda bothers me: Daelin's sword is sheathed in the flashback. Either they forgot Daelin went down fighting or they're implying Rexxar killed him when he was not armed at the time. I'm leaning towards the former, as his appearance seems based on his TCG artwork◊ with the sheathed sword, so they probably just drew that and forgot about the circumstances.

That it Jaina is experiencing a Self-Serving Memory and making the Horde look worse than they were at the time

edited 21st May '18 5:06:52 PM by sgamer82

It's amazing how the fact that she supported the Alliance's war campaign on Kalimdor by allowing Theramore to be the bridgehead of the Barrens offensive for all of Cata is just completely forgotten. Yet she still acts as if Theramore was this poor innocent neutral turf that was taken from her in cold blood.

Jaina is just a complete joke at this point, who preached peace and pacifism from her save neutral walled garden but did a 180 the second someone actually attacked herself.

And the two points in her life where she actually was consequent and stood up to her values instead of walking out like she did with Arthas are now painted as her being the poor naive girl being manipulated by the mean mean people around her.

edited 21st May '18 4:07:22 PM by Kiefen

Which two points?

edited 21st May '18 3:49:10 PM by morenohijazo

The two shown in that comic preview 1. Stopping her father from genociding the orcs , and 2. Stopping Varian during the Battle for Undercity in Wotl K.

edited 21st May '18 3:52:41 PM by Kiefen