World Of Warcraft

In the current lore, the only way to prevent a demon from coming back is to toss them in a prison. That is what has made the Wardens so good.

Since most of the Illidari can do the same thing that's the only way they got removed from the story after TBC.

Seeing as how well killing him last time went (And failed to stick), I don't think he has to be worried.

Plus forcefully busting into a throne room is usually ground enough to get shot on sight in most places (Try it in Buckingham Palace and see how welcoming they are) so clearly he wasn't worried about that.

On top of that, he's the Guardian of Tirisfal. I doubt the two dudes with pointy sticks in the throne room are that much of a threat to him to begin with.

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Related: If all it takes to bring the Legion is going to Sargeras' tomb, why didn't any of the Dreadlords from the first invasion get on that?

edited 27th Sep '16 5:41:21 AM by CobraPrime

The Tomb of Sargeras audio drama implied only a non-demon could open it.

The Audio Drama stated that the tomb probably wasn't that useful until after the first gul'dan raised it and Aegwynn went in and added a few sargeras inspired extras. After that the wardens moved in and let's be honest, there are a lot of demons in the wardens prison.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.

Different order of events. Aegwynn modified the tomb and THEN Gul'dan raised it back up at some later point.

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

Gul'Dan raised it during the events of Warcraft 2. It's in fact the mission where he died.

Adressing what I said or what stevebat said?

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

Well, I'm hyped for raiding tonight. My champions were kind enough to return an Emerald Nightmare quest (for Il'gynoth) this morning, so that adds to the pile. I've been having some success at Mythic+: still haven't gone above 2, but with a competent group it seems that challenging higher ranks shouldn't be that awful.

One thing I am feeling is that there is still a very real gap between the players that push content as hard and fast as possible (people with ridiculous things like artifact level 24+ or Mythic 6 runs) and those, like me, who are dedicated and competent but cannot spend every waking moment playing, so we level off a bit and wait for organized raids to catch up.

And then, of course, there are the stragglers. Hopefully the release of Raid Finder this week lets them boost their gear somewhat.

edited 28th Sep '16 8:42:24 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

Both? Was just clarifying when it happened.

edited 28th Sep '16 8:43:15 AM by CobraPrime

Speculation concerning Alleria from what I've seen so far: She's Allari the Souleater of the Illidari. This is after doing the Marksmanship hunter artifact and her not being at the demon prison but having left her bow behind.

"But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you." - O'Brien, 1984

Pretty sure it's confirmed that Alleria's still with the Army of Light after breaking out of prison. In any case, I don't think the timeline works out for her to be Allari seeing as how that would require her to have trained as a demon hunter before even Burning Crusade.

edited 28th Sep '16 11:09:50 AM by LordVatek

This song needs more love.

Yeah I agree Fighteer. I read over the parses from last night and some insane maniacs are pushing 250K already.

Also someone shoot me the weekly outdoor boss gives absolute garbage.

Apocalypse: Dirge Of Swans.

Hillsbrad Foothills has some great quests. You get to be a questgiver

They may be great quests, but I just can't stand what Blizzard did to the zone. Especially since they've turned the zone where the Forsaken does some of their worst crimes into a mostly comedy zone. At least the zone also has Drek'thar calling them out on it and refusing to help them.

Not really, you put a stop to the really bad stuff happening across the zone in addition to helping High Warlord Cromush, Dumass, and Johnny Awesome. As well as play Flowers vs Scourge.

No, no you don't. The Forsaken had already done most of their crimes there and were still committing them. And I wouldn't say helping Cromush is a good thing.

Also, you don't stop Warden Stillwater because he's a madman conducting unethic experiments. You stop him because he's conduting these experiments on Forsaken as well.

That he's running what's basically a concentration camp doesn't factor into your questgivers' decision to end him in any way.

So yeah, I can see why people might have a problem with this region. Heck, I had a problem with it because it was part of what I call "The Forsake Domination Tour", i.e. the Forsaken just steamrolling everything while the Alliance comes out looking like chumps. Not to mention that the factions who are said to keep an eye on the Forsaken - Argent Crusade and Ebon Blade - do jack shit about the whole thing.

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

If I recall correctly even Forsaken Player Character is horrified by the ghoul farms and the general atrocities going on in that camp. It wasn't just because he also was experimenting on other Forsaken

Formerly known as Bleddyn And I am feeling like a ghost Resident Perky Goth

For the Forsaken to be a threat, they have to be a threat. Not sure why this is hard to grasp. Also, this.

Also, you get to be a questgiver in Legion — there's a kobold cave in Highmountain that you infiltrate in disguise, and one of the things you have to do is sit on the "throne of quest giving" (I don't remember its exact name) and assign make-work tasks to over-eager kobolds.

Whoops. Edited.

edited 29th Sep '16 5:00:07 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

As you said: The player.

Kobold cave, not Murlocs.

edited 29th Sep '16 4:59:30 AM by DrunkenNordmann

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

Yes they are a threat, that's not hard to grasp. What's hard to grasp is why they're still treated as heroes, how their atrocities tend to be glossed over by anybody but Greymane and Roger, and WHY the Alliance has not done anything about it before despite being referred to as the world superpower at the end of Mists of Pandaria. At the very least, they should've negotiated it so the Forsaken left the places they'd invaded and captured.

To be fair, it's not like Roger has any right to judge people at this point - neither does Genn. Sending a war criminal and the ruler of a kingdom the Forsaken destroyed to keep an eye on the Forsaken's leader - and also giving them a carte blanche to open fire if they think it's necessary - what was Anduin thinking?

I really hope the boy grows into his new position at some point - because that was a screw-up on his part. :/

edited 29th Sep '16 9:01:12 AM by DrunkenNordmann

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

Again, the Alliance knew she was up to something sinister in Stormheim. The player learns in Azsuna (which was meant to be the first zone) that Sylvanas is up to something and gives it to a worgen officer, who calls it some of the most important they could've gotten. I'm pretty sure Anduin knew what was going to do when he sent them (or rather sent Rogers, he has no right to order Genn around).

Rogers has every right to judge the Forsaken. And compared to what the Horde has done, she is a downright saint. While I will consider her shooting those orcs to be a Kick the Dog moment (and her only such moment), they were still engaged in combat and the orcs were swimming directly for her troops. Considering how dangerous orcs have proven to be even unarmed, it becomes more understandable (though not unforgivable).

edited 29th Sep '16 9:23:32 AM by StormKnight

Where exactly do we learn this in Aszuna? Because I quested there on Alliance side and never encountered anything regarding Sylvanas.

Also, not having as many opportunities to Kick the Dog as your opponent doesn't mean you're allowed to restart a war while the Burning Legion is invading.

edited 29th Sep '16 9:33:35 AM by DrunkenNordmann

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

Here you go: Fate of the Queen's Reprisal and Captain's Log of the Queen's Reprisal.

I agree the timing is bad, but Genn and Rogers have every reason to hate the Horde. That they attacked the Forsaken to stop Sylvanas from gaining more power for herself should put points in their favour. That Anduin authorized them to attack them should also put the blame on him.

EDIT: Just noticed I linked to the Horde version. Alliance version linked in its place now.

edited 29th Sep '16 9:41:20 AM by StormKnight