One Piece

It doesn't. I don't want to laugh at him. I don't want to see anything connected to him.

Nothing about him is funny. Nothing.

He should not be where he is.

I'm not even American. I'm Canadian. But the entire thing still pisses me off.

One Strip! One Strip!

It is kind of hard to laugh at him when he's doing real harm to real people in the real world right now.

Disgusted, but not surprised

Even seeing his World Noble-ified self get a mace to the face?

Saiga: I'm not sympathetic to that last few Japanese WWII holdout types. The ones I heard of were murdering bandits.

Comedy especially Black Comedy is born of sadness, depression, and the like as a way to deal with the world after all. So comedy is itself a form of coping.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

We know the last Ancient Weapon's name is Uranus, but nothing else about it. Pluton is a battle ship, Poseidon a person, and I've been thinking the third is a Devil Fruit of some kind.

Not any ordinary Devil Fruit, obviously, the strongest thereis, like the power to warp reality or something. Uranus can just be an alias like Poseidon is for whoever happens the be mermaid princes of the era.

edited 19th Jun '18 11:50:33 PM by LSBK

Yeah, after the Poseidon reveal I do think Uranus would be something we wouldn't even think of.

edited 19th Jun '18 11:40:39 PM by firewriter

So Pluton is a really powerful battleship and Poseidon is a mermaid who can control one of the most dangerous ocean species on the planet en masse. I'm guessing Uranus is some kind of weather control Devil Fruit.

edited 19th Jun '18 11:49:39 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

I remember one fic I read ages ago had Pluton be a metal battleship, which is a bit of an Outside-Context Problem for a society that solely uses wooden boats.

edited 20th Jun '18 12:45:12 AM by rmctagg09

Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.

It's presumably made out of something that people in the One Piece world can still find. Otherwise the blueprints for Pluton wouldn't have been as valuable as they were.

Disgusted, but not surprised

I always assumed Pluton was a flying battleship (air) and since Posidon is sea related, I'm assuming Uranus is Earth related.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

You'd think it would be the other way around, since Pluton is named after Pluto, god of the Underworld, while Uranus is named after the original Sky god.

My thinking was that Pluton, being a battleship, embodied the pinnacle of mankind's seafaring knowledge, Poseidon embodied mastery over the creatures of the sea, and Uranus embodied the natural forces controlling the ebb and flow of the sea itself. All three together would grant one complete mastery over the seas. My headcanon is that Pluton is named after an Earth-aligned deity despite being a battleship since its advanced weaponry allows it strike anywhere on the land, while Uranus, being a Weather Control Fruit, would effectively make one ruler of the skies as well.

edited 20th Jun '18 8:19:13 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised

A friend of mine raised the possibility that there is an in-universe misconception. Pluton isn't the battleship, but the guy who built the battleship, and the title would be passed down like Poseidon.

(Specifically, according to his theory, Pluton is Robin, for the dramatic irony that both Crocodile and Spandam wanted Pluton so badly when she was right there all along.)

I personally do find it a little suspect that Pluton and Poseidon fall into entirely different categories of noun. If not an actual person, maybe Pluton was a living ship?

It's been more or less established that Pluton is a battleship. There are (were) even blueprints for it.

Disgusted, but not surprised

That theory seems to forget that Franky had the plans to build the thing. One could say that those plans were born from the same misconception, but it seems like it requires more mental hoop jumping than necessary vs assuming Pluton is indeed a ship

The idea was that Poseidon could control sea kings, Uranus could control some form of sky or space creature, and Pluton, named after the god of death, could control weapons. Pluton (the person) became synonymous with his battleship that only he could control with his ability, and it is that battleship that Tom had the blueprints for.

I don't think that's too big a stretch. The bit about Robin is way out there, of course, but the core of it is, IMO, unlikely but possible.

edited 20th Jun '18 11:13:22 AM by MileRun

I'm not sure why the ancient weapons being "different categories" is particularly strange. Maybe not something you'd think when you first hear about it, but we're talking clouded ancient history and the power to destroy the world; anything goes.

Regarding that friends theory, rather that Pluton actually being a person, it's the sheer contrivance of it actually being Robin, and also that being lost to history, but the origins of the other two seemingly not being so.

This discussion has gotten me thinking. This is just a hypothesis, but I think there may be something to this:

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Reincarnation is very much a thing that occurs in the One Piece world

It's limited, however, to bloodlines. Shirahoshi is a direct descendant of the original Poseidon, for example. Luffy and Roger are possibly reincarnations of whoever wore the frosty straw hat and, as D's, presumably share a common ancestor (not as contrived as it sounds if this common ancestor goes back far enough).

This is one reason bloodlines are such a big deal to the One Piece world. A bloodline who has someone dangerous may well have that dangerous person reappear in a different form down the line.

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Like I said, random thought, but something that struck me as possibly going somewhere.

edited 20th Jun '18 12:44:54 PM by sgamer82

NOOOOOOOO!

Nothing good comes of reincarnation in stories like this.

Mysterious reveals of heritage almost always suck.

edited 20th Jun '18 12:46:42 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

We already know there's a heritage. The Will of D has been a thing since Drum or Alabasta or so. Saul said everyone in his family has a D.

Yeah, that ship sailed a long time ago. And going off of them being "God's natural enemy" and Imu (or whatever) cutting up a Luffy's and Blackbeard's pictures, it's only going to get more prominence.

Yes, but we know about that, that was introduced fairly on.

You can't this late in the game spring "the main character was 'X' all along".

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

I can agree on the sense that the idea of reincarnation might detract from a character's agency (are they really doing this or is it their past life?) but I think Luffy's had enough development for us to feel any motivations are his own and that any influence, if there is an influence, is probably going to be incidental.

edited 20th Jun '18 12:56:58 PM by sgamer82

Well then, I suppose you should prepare yourself to think whatever he does with it sucks.

Luffy was Uranus all along!