One Piece

Meh, thats boring selfdestructive villainy. It'd be more interesting for them to split off on amicable terms. Of course, they'd proceed then to get their own territories and all, but not immediately going down in orgy of backstabbing.

I don't see folks like Kidd and Hawkins really settling for anything less than "Grand Overlord Mastermind." Apoo, on the other hand, looks like he's here to have fun and make friends. I think if the alliance was Apoo, Urogue, and Luffy, they could branch off on their own paths peacefully. The rest, not so much...

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior

Kidd just seems out to cause pain to those who doubt him. Hawkins would do as divinity commands.

I'd like to see Drake and Hawkins interact.

I'd also like to see the wikia have a page on hypnosis, considering it's an established thing, like cyborgs. Don Krieg-9000 would've been odd.

Anyway, here's some clashes. I miss Monet.

edited 22nd Nov '15 1:12:13 PM by wanderlustwarrior

The sad, REAL American dichotomy

That scene reminds me: Luffy sees Coby as his rival, Zoro has a non-history with Tashigi, Usopp fought Jango, and Fullbody has a grudge against Sanji. Nami is the only pre-Grand Line Straw Hat not to have a connection with any recurring marine.

#BringBackNezumi

Sorry. It'd have to be like Nezumi's secret daughter or something.

Can't have a man trying to harm a woman in One Piece now can we?

One Strip! One Strip!

Let's not exaggerate here. Male characters are allowed to fight female characters. They just can't end the battle by KO unless another female characters pops in to deliver the finishing move.

And they're allowed to end with a KO if the female character in question is ugly.

My mistake. Forgot about those two details.

I'd say Oda forgot about Nezumi, but I don't think he really does that.

One Strip! One Strip!

Who is Nezumi?

Whatever 'ugly' actually means... I'm just saying that, from a purely objective standpoint, judging feature by feature, Usopp is 'uglier' than Catarina Devon. Remember how everyone was gushing over MANSOPP when he first appeared?

edited 22nd Nov '15 8:16:06 PM by PushoverMediaCritic

A better phrasing might have been Gonk instead of ugly but functionally that's supposed to be the same thing.

edited 22nd Nov '15 8:17:29 PM by LSBK

Whatever 'Gonk' actually means...

I don't think anyone had any trouble understanding what I meant, which is the important thing.

The corrupt Navy captain Arlong was bribing. It was his report that sparked Luffy's initial 30 million bounty.

I still find it a little weird that Nezumi didn't at least get a cameo during the Whitebeard arc. He did appear on that one Film Z color spread, so there's something.

Sidenote: Also from the Arlong Arc, there was a marine commodore named Pudding Pudding, whose ship was sunk by the fishmen, and all the characters treated him as though he was dead. Did Oda ever show him alive again later, or do we really have a named character on our hands who actually died outside a flashback (besides the big two, of course)?

edited 22nd Nov '15 9:57:44 PM by MileRun

I think Pudding Pudding is officially dead. This was still in the early days of One Piece, after all, and it did establish how strong the fishmen were.

Also I don't even think Nezumi has the spirit to even sail near the Grand Line, I'm not surprised to see him absent from the war.

Also, maybe Nami would fight Helmeppo. I mean, since they're both, uh, not strong. That's how it works, right?

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior

Nezumi and Pudding Pudding were both branch commanders; everyone who showed up for Marineford was attached to HQ.

Helmeppo's strong enough now.

The early series was also when Nami was still a low-level Action Girl instead of a Squishy Mage

I wish Oda focused more on her thiefing bits more, last we really got a good point of that was her using invisibility to snatch the keys to the chains on Shirahoshi and Jinbei I think. In fact I feel like her power to control weather feels like it was something made-up at the last second. "Ah shit Nami really needs to hold her own ground, what can she do because she obviously can't just be physically strong... Well, she's a navigator... It's settled. She can change the weather with a weird weapon Ussop somehow made."

At least Oda is getting mileage out of the Clima Tact but still. Maybe I'm just toasty because it doesn't perfectly fit my D&D idea of what class the Straw Hats are.

edited 23rd Nov '15 7:04:13 AM by HeavyDDR

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior

The climatact definitely came out of nowhere, but I do feel that it brings more variety to the crew to have a mage type fighter. I also think that weather powers suit her a lot better than just smacking things with a bo-staff, but maybe that's just me (the bo-staff just doesn't feel right for her, for some reason; maybe tonfa or kali sticks would've felt more Nami).

Early concept art of Nami had her wielding a giant axe. Imagine if Oda went with that instead.

I think Girls W/ Giant Weapons was a pretty common trope back in those days. Guess Oda decided on the just-as-common trope of Staff Girl.

Give Nami a dagger and let her really stab some people.

I'm pretty sure the concept of Law having limits was a translation error. -Wanderlustwarrior

Well she stabbed herself a lot of times in the Arlong arc :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.

Having Nami suddenly be an effective physical fighter in the New World without a superpowered magic weapon would make no sense at all. One Piece is not the most rational manga out there, but it's pretty consistent with this kind of things (see also: Usopp not being able to defeat Sugar and Trebol despite it being a climatic big fight, or Luffy needing the help of Law and half the whole Dressrosa to defeat Doflamingo).

I believe the Clima Tact is the best option to let Nami be effective with her own skills, since it's implied that the weapon is superpowered, but Nami is the only person able to use it that way as her super-navigator powers let her predict and micromanage the weather and create better combinations (Usopp has said several times that Nami is able to use the Clima Tact to do things he hadn't predicted when he built it).

edited 24th Nov '15 12:11:49 AM by Cozzer

THANK YOU. Someone finally said it! I wanted to, but I love the Clima Tact and I would have come across as biased.

Do people REALLY expected Nami to get away with Stabbing people, especially post New World? Say whatever you want about the Clima Tact but it has kept Nami relatively relevant in a way it wouldnt have been possible with a knife.

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Also, to the guy talking about his mental mapping of D&D classes to One Piece characters: isn't Use Magic Device abuse the standard Rogue strategy to survive high-optimization play? :P Nami realized she was in a world full of munchkins and gradually changed her own build.