Stargate Universe

@ The Rogue Penguin: Looks like you called that one.

And is anyone else happy that it looks like Lt. James is actually doing something interesting, and may actually hold some plot value in the future?

DeBoss: Yes but only one episode old so catching up shouldn't be a problem.

I watched it and was entertained.

You can see in the preview video that the aliens walk through the gate in one scene, so we should be seeing them again.

Is it just me, or was "Divided" a real letdown. I mean, you could make a list of all the coincidences that had to stack up for the mutiny to start and end with no bloodshed, and even so, didn't really resolve anything. Camile pretty much said, "We're at peace now, but we could run this whole stunt over again, and then you will lose." And why doesn't Rush bring up that he has a tracker inside him, regardless of getting his head blown off? Does nobody use their words on this ship?

Then again, maybe it was a decent episode, and I'm just bitter that it started with a Linkin Park Expy...

I skipped the first few minutes, it looked okay to me.

I liked Divided. I thought it was one of the stronger episodes and I'm happy that the sitting around and moping was kept to a minimum. I'm fine with the lack of bloodshed. They knew they need most of the civilians to keep going and Col. Young said that they will still be seeing these people the next day. Neither group wanted to lock the others away, just get them to give in. I do hope that by the end of the season they'll stop fighting each other as much and get to more sci-fi.

As for Rush, I don't see the issue. It's already been established that he's a bit of a selfish coward. He'd rather risk the lives of the people working with him in the chair than use it himself. Speaking of, what happened to that dude? Did he pick up any info from it?

"A bit of a a selfish coward"? Now that's an understatement, at least the selfish part (Contrariwise I don't see him as a coward at all.). As far as Rush is concerned everyone around him is just a tool to be used for his research. I'm surprised he expressed any concern for Young and the others being vaporized.

edited 11th Apr '10 6:08:14 AM by tricksterson

Rush didn't express concern over Young's possible death. He was perfectly ok with such an action. His problem was how their deaths would undermine the takeover, and likely necessitate the deaths of all the other military personnel on Destiny. And he knew that such an action wouldn't be taken by the rest of the civilians.

Rush is the coldhearted bastard we know he is, but he does think a few steps ahead and at least knows the early consequences his actions will create down the line.

I guess on paper it was a good episode, and I was perfectly fine with the lack of blood. Just two things really bug me, and the rest I can live with. I don't want to see our Destined civil warring with each other, especially in the middle of an alien invasion of the ship. Even more especially since the civvies need the military and vice versa, since everything else, down to the water, has tried to kill them. That and I think Camille makes no effort to bury the hatchet or state her demands post-mutiny outside of her saying, "This needs work," and then she leaves. Camile obviously wants something from Young and his men, so bring it up with him, and ask for it. Don't just take the ball and go home with untold promises of vengeance, especially since you're now a bit more credible than you were before, and Young said outright to your face, "I'm open for suggestions."

Rush, though, is a moron regardless for trying to throw a coop when the blues are coming for the ship, and he knows it. It could have been avoided by him taking Young aside, and saying "Hey, look, I think those guys who wanted the ship might have had me tagged too. So could you have the swap be a doctor who could get this out of me so we don't blasted out of the sky next time we leave FTL?" and having the civs push the mutiny to next Tuesday. And how did they get the stones working again without it being intercepted by the aliens, unless Rush got the stone back too, with Chloe?

No apologies on the music front though, De Boss.

edited 11th Apr '10 1:52:53 PM by moocow1452

Just watched episodes eleven and twelve.

1. I want the Stargate to open at least once an episode on a show called Stargate. When it doesn't for two episodes in a row I wonder why I'm watching the show at all if exploration is never the goal. 2. So has everyone resigned themselves to the fact that they're going to eat flour soup, meat substitute, and undersized produce? I don't call that feasible in the long run. We need to go to planets to find alien equivalents for produce and meat, or else figure out what the Ancients did for food. 3. Even if the communication stones are only healthy for X hours at a time, rotate people on both ends to have a qualified crew on board at all times. If you're not going to do this, get rid of the communication stones. 4. Are the options for leadership really only limited to Rush and Young? These are our only two options? Is there nobody in the middle of the spectrum? 5. What, precisely, has the military as a whole done wrong up to this point to threaten the lives of the civilians? Yeah, Rush and Young's antics to maintain the upper hand has caused threats, but not "the military" as a faction. 6. Why, exactly, did Rush save Young's life on the shuttle again? Young tried to kill him a few days ago, and killing Young and Scott would leave a power vacuum in the military and lose exactly one person to your side (Chloe). 7. Does anyone miss the glory days of Stargate, when the goal was light-hearted exploration and fighting monolithic evil empires? I do.

Really, I'm fine with taking more than just the pilot to establish the characters being friendly with each other but I'm really hoping that they speed up the process (assuming they intend to do it in the first place). I really want to see Rush being respected and relied on by the rest of the characters. I really want to see them do more Stargatey things, exploring or fighting the current Big Bad. At this point I'm really hoping that the foundation for this will be set by the end of the season.

Aside from Air pt. 1 there are no episodes that I'd ever bother to watch again. If this show didn't have Stargate in it's name then I wouldn't be watching it right now. I'm just really hoping it improves and fortunately eps 10 and 11 look to be steps in the right direction.

There's the chinese chick to consider as "leadership" if you wanted. Of everyone there, I still think Young is the most qualified.

When it started a key storyline of Star Trek Voyager was supposed to be the conflict between the Starfleet and Maquis crews. They tried it, and it failed (except in holodeck programs and brainwashing incidents) because it's almost impossible to have any conflict without one group being perceived as "right" and the other as "wrong." On Voyager the issue was abandoned to avoid having to write compelling stories that can pull this off.

Stargate Universe is attempting this, and what a shock! I don't like either side! Rush is a jerk who can't compromise his warped principles at all, and Young is a jerk who won't ever look at anything from the civilian perspective.

I promised myself a long time ago to keep watching at least until the end of the season. I want to give the creators every chance to redeem themselves. But there's only eight episodes left, and I don't think they'll pull it off. I need to care about these people, and I only care about Eli. Everyone else has one condemning flaw or another.

I think you need a dual leadership. Young for things pertaining to defense and expeditions, Wray for the day-to-day running of the ship. Rush should be in charge of science and research under Wray's control.

Well, "Faith" aired, and that was everything I could have hoped for. Anybody else?

Holy fuck, Episode 13 was terrible.

Especially this clichéd dialogue. What the fuck.

I liked it although it was a bit predictable. I only wish they'd left Chloe behind.

There was significantly less Dysfunction Junction, which I can appreciate, but I really hope this episode proves to be a Chekovs Armory.

The Furlings built the system.

Pretty much what Tangent said. It was a solid mid season episode. Could have gone without the "It was put here by god!" and the token atheist though. Especially since I was at home watching it with my religious parents.

My little brother was complaining the whole time that they didn't show what the "robot" thing they found in a crate does.

Random bit of Fridge Logic I just realized. Destiny dropped out of warp because it almost ran into a star. That's fine. But why did it take two weeks to get to the star and two weeks to get out of "range" from it. Destiny's flown into stars twice already, from what I remember from "Light" it only took them a few hours after exiting the star to get far enough out for Destiny to hit warp again. Why the discrepancy?

Destiny pulled out of hyperspace and slowed way the fuck down so it could figure out what was going on. Slamming into a star you didn't see coming is not exactly a good idea.

Even with that it still took it two weeks to leave the system after passing the star.

Phoenixavatar 2: Explain the concept of Chekovs Gun to your brother and Sufficiently Advanced Aliens to your parents.

Because it wanted time to speed back up? Or it only needs the speed when harvesting star bits, so just cruising at that speed is a waste of energy. Or Rush told it to so they could do some repairs.

And how did the gravitational well lead them to effectively do a 180 while if FTL?