Persona series

There's definitely a huge importance in different grades of school, especially high school. I remember seniors couldn't date a Freshman or whatever without getting shit because, while they are virtually identical in age, the different grades made all the difference. A Freshman was a baby for all intents and purposes. On the flipside, a Freshman dating a Senior was a huge boost for the Freshman's status.

Ah high school. Been too long.

Of course I have no idea if any of this is related to the Senpai/Kohai dynamic. Just saying we still have our own relationship dynamics in high school that are pretty rigid, at least in my experience.

14/15 years old is basically the same age as 17/18? I must disagree.

Speaking extremely generally, tehre really is no difference between a 15-year-old and 17-year-old. They will have had identical life experiences, have the same exposure to the same media, and think identically.

Once you get out of the trap of high school you are free to date people who ar e entirely different generations from you, older or younger than you by literal decades. Some social stigma attached to this depending on a variety of factors but I think it's still pretty okay to date someone who's maybe 10 years older than you. A 30-year-old and a 20-year-old are going to have far less in common than a 17-year-old and 15-year-old.

I honestly disagree. I think someone who is about to graduate from high school will be in a considerably different headspace than someone who's just starting it, for one thing.

Oh yeah they are definitely completely different beasts.

You cannot compare a freshman to senior, the age gap may seem small but they are actually like other side of the world separated.

Wow, that sounds awful. Maybe because where I live the middle/high school is more distinguished on paper than in person, people generally don't have problems with 2-3 years of difference (when the younger one is old enough, of course).

It depends on the person, but yes, just a year of difference in age in Middle/High School can make a world of difference.

Source: Was a shitty high schooler and was friends with a lot of shitty high schoolers

Personally I don't think I was all that different in my first year compared to my third, but I also lived a pretty sheltered life and didn't have a lot of the stereotypical teenage experiences you're "supposed to" have at that time so there wasn't room for me to change much.

Yeah, the younger you are, the more difference age makes. The difference between 55 and 57 is virtually zero, the difference between 25 and 27 isn't huge, the difference between 15 and 17 is pretty significant.

As far as the honorifics and loss of nuance thing, the point about pronouns is a fair one, but it's about where you want to draw the line. English has honorifics, but doesn't have pronouns that vary based on gender or politeness, so translating Japanese pronouns into English but leaving the honorifics as-is seems like a logical enough place to me.

So I've talked in the past about SMT Alignments in regular Persona, and OR mentions Nyarl talking about "chaos" but Nyarl isn't really a representative of the actual Chaos alignment, right?

He's just kind of an evil douchebag, a personification of all of mankind's worst traits, and thus he doesn't have any an ideology or whatever.

At least Yaldy had a conscious objective born of a shared ideal. Izanami too maybe?

Nyarlathotep is Dark-Law, it says so in II :V

I beat Mitsuo's shadow today. It was a pain in the ass and I lost a lot yesterday and a few time today, but I was able to beat him. He was a creepy SOB. I used Yosuke, Kanji and Teddie to win. After beating him, I mostly worked on the social links. I know this isn't the end.

edited 28th Oct '17 9:43:14 AM by pointless233

Finished the main game of Persona 4. Still need to go back and do the true ending, but I don't have time for that tonight so I went ahead and got the normal ending.

Nyarly had an objective. Prove humanity is self destructive and doomed to destroy themselves as the blind idiot god.

And he kinda did, and then the Persona users show those with potential can temporarily prevent humanity from fucking itself over.

But yeah he doesn’t really fit SMT Chaos in any form.

edited 28th Oct '17 6:14:20 PM by OmegaRadiance

Man, this conversation keeps making me realize things about myself. I think part of the reason I'm fine with the honorifics is I use Vietnamese pronouns in conversation pretty frequently in my day-to-day life, so a game using Japanese pronouns isn't that odd to me.

Pronouns and honorifics aren't the same thing.

Semantics, really. They're an Asian word that I put in front of someone's name to denote their relationship to me.

That they're technically pronouns doesn't change the fact that they're functionally completely the same.

I'm not sure you know what a pronoun is.

They're two unrelated parts of speech.

A pronoun is used in place of a proper noun: I or they as opposed to Hashil or Arha, which are proper nouns.

And in Vietnamese, pronouns are used in the exact same way honorifics are used.

For example, the pronoun for a girl younger than you but in the same generation is "em." But if you're referring to someone that fits that descriptor (let's say your younger sister, Mai), you would call her "Em Mai." But sure. Talk about things you don't understand. That's fine.

But goodness, this is off-topic. Maybe I'll be able to play some P5 tonight. I just got a new copy in. Only beat the first dungeon... just don't have time to play like I used to, sadly.

edited 14th Nov '17 11:40:02 AM by Larkmarn

watch and despair

That's something I never expected to hear.

i said from the moment I saw her that Haru was the best character in P5.

I feel vindicated.

Hey guys, I'm currently doing Naoto's dungeon in Persona 4. I'm using Kanji, Teddie and Yukiko with me. Wish me luck.

Good luck. I think this was about the time the game became a lot easier for me.

Are those your favorite characters then?