Haruhi Suzumiya

Jesus Christ, sorry, I meant O-Haruhi-Sama. holy fuck, -sigh- can't we all just play along?

Never.

Also, a new thread might be appropriate. I don't really care one way or the other, but new anime do tend to get their own threads. We even had multiple Persona 4 anime threads.

We shouldn't need a new thread because Haruhi is dead. Yuki and Kozumi spinoffs are the only ones that have done anything in 5 years.

And at the post last page about Kyon's changes. Yuki-chan's Kyon is Kyon how Yuki wrote him in the disappearance flashbacks with him being the kind stranger who helped the shy Yuki at the library and she got a crush on him.

There are absolutely no hints of the original universe, the Yuki chan universe is the universe she would have created had she not hesitated. It plays the tropes that Haruhi cynically used and abused and plays them straight for comedy.

edited 13th Mar '15 12:25:11 AM by Memers

I liked the manga and I'm looking forward to the anime.

And if you don't like that, too bad.

Wait, there's a Koizumi spinoff?

There's a manga about him, I think.

Him & Kyon, yeah.

http://icv2.com/articles/comics/view/25183/review-the-misfortune-kyon-koizumi-tp-manga

Yen Press brought it over.

edited 13th Mar '15 9:49:05 AM by shanejayell

And at the post last page about Kyon's changes. Yuki-chan's Kyon is Kyon how Yuki wrote him in the disappearance flashbacks with him being the kind stranger who helped the shy Yuki at the library and she got a crush on him.

I know that, but you know what else? Give it all the Watsonian explanations you want to, it still won't change the fact I think, from the Doylist view, it's still a change for the worse.

Oh, I already have that. Thought there was another one :P

^^You're entitled to that view. I'm a die-hard Kyon/Yuki shipper, though, so I enjoy seeing them interact and slowly fall in love. Personally, I cared more about Disappearance than about any of the stories adapted for the first two seasons.

edited 13th Mar '15 11:08:23 AM by RedSavant

I impartial between Yuki x Kyon and Haruhi x Kyon just not Mikuru. This series is just a fun take on things and rather goofy tone for a Slice of Life Rom Com that I like with more reasonable doses of Haruhi.

Also there are some Haruhi X Kyon moments in this, it isnt 100% Yuki all the time.

edited 13th Mar '15 1:27:48 PM by Memers

We get a third (fourth?) version of Yuki after a reset (or is it?) in the manga. Wounder if the series will get that far.

I read most of the manga. Liked parts of it, but I felt it failed on what I most wanted, a different take on the same characters. One big problem I had with Disappearance is that it reduced Yuki to a paint-by-the-numbers moeblob (not that her normal version is less of an archetype, but it's a strong archetype). The manga could have given her more characterisation, and gone into how the cast might turn out without the supernatural. But Yuki hardly showed anything beyond "shy, vulnerable" and Kyon seemed barely a character at all. Haruhi was recognisable but a pale shadow.

Still, it gave some good fluffy moments.

Honestly, Asakura is the best character by far. Of course, Original! Asakura is shallow and hollow enough almost anything is an improvement, but Spinoff! Asakura is an enjoyable character on her own merits. After her, Haruhi. I'd probably have liked better a series with a non-powered Haruhi as the protagonist, because there she'd actually have to earn her accomplishments the hard way, while still showing that color and energy she's so good for.

Well, Original!Asakura was supposed to be flat. She's a malfunctioning biorobot. There's a reason she doesn't get much screentime, all things considered; she'd get boring very quickly.

I'm inclined to disagree. Main series Ryouko is insane and unpredictable. She is hands down one of the most interesting characters in the novels/anime and she died too soon.

^She did all of one thing, which was try to kill Kyon; she serves exactly the same purpose, narrative-wise, as the Giants in closed space, which is to prove that the people who claim powers in the SOS Brigade do in fact have powers.

Wrong. She tried to kill Kyon and failed, almost succeeded in killing Kyon during Disappearance/Vanishment and then saved Kyon's life while treatening to kill him in Surprise. You never know what she's going to do when she shows up and that's what makes her interesting.

But she only works with a few "what will she do" moments. She's hardly a character, more an agent of a conflict. In Yuki-chan she becomes an actual character, better than the lead couple, but that in itself is a complete rewrite.

x6

Haruhi really only works in moderate doses, her antics in Yuki were just about the right amount of screen time to not overstay her welcome. The original novels started to see it too.

Would the series have worked with Haruhi as her usual loony self and no provably supernatural elements?

Of course I'm the one who proved that replacing Haruhi with a slaughtering elder goddess would be an improvement.

edited 15th Mar '15 10:46:25 AM by hcobb

Show me the proof.

That's mostly because her Character Development isn't fast enough, which in turn mostly comes from her being unable to learn too much too fast. In an universe where things wouldn't go her way just because she wants so, she has much greater potential for having to actually grow as a person.

edited 15th Mar '15 12:47:16 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

See: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8094024/1/The-Shadow-over-Nishinomiya [[The Shadow over Nishinomiya]], a mostly-successful fusion of Haruhi and Lovecraft.

I'm with Napoleon here. If hardship is the impetus for character development, regular-series Haruhi has only one reason to change her opinion on things, ever, and that's Kyon getting upset with what she's doing. Literally the rest of the universe bends over backwards to please her, including the other members of the Brigade, but Kyon won't. And that's fine, but it also works much better for a series in which Haruhi is the ultimate romantic lead rather than Yuki, partially because main-series Haruhi is still too immature to accept that Kyon might like someone else.

edited 15th Mar '15 4:37:45 PM by RedSavant