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DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#26: Nov 2nd 2013 at 7:53:05 AM

I would be talking about it right now, but I'm currently playing catchup. Just watched the season two opening. I'm a bit late since I didn't hear about the show until maybe last year or so and it took a while for me to warm up to it once I did start watching. This is my first exposure to HBO drama, so I haven't quite been expected to keep track of so many characters and plot threads before. Hell, it took me awhile to even tell some of the cast members apart, what with all of them having similar hairstyles and dress. But now that I've gotten it down, I'm thoroughly enjoying myself.

DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#27: Nov 5th 2013 at 7:39:31 PM

Apologies for the double post here, but someone needs to get something rolling.

Anyhow, I'm in the middle of season three at the moment and I'm starting to get bored once again. It just seems like all the different plot threads have little to do with each other and aren't building towards anything. Nearly every episode this season, I've been questioning why they keep showing me Margaret pushing for a women's clinic, Gillian having financial troubles with her whorehouse, and Van Alden bumbling about with his coworkers. At least with that last one, Van Alden's starting to get a little involved with the Chicago mobs, but the rest of it, I don't know. The war with Gyp Rosetti just doesn't seem like a strong enough conflict to tie everything together like the mayor race did in season one and Nucky's trial did in season two. Ah well. Least I get to see a little more of Arnold Rothstein this season. I loves me some Rothstein.

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DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#30: Nov 27th 2013 at 5:22:11 AM

Let's face it guys, he needed to go. Little more surprised at Knox's death though, seemed like they were building him into something more than he ended up being. At least it had some consequences to it.

edited 27th Nov '13 5:22:25 AM by DeviousRecital

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#31: Nov 27th 2013 at 4:53:33 PM

Gillian needed to go. Margaret needs to go. Richard Harrow needed to be sent off with the one remaining shred of hope the universe of Boardwalk Empire possesses.

Now they're both dead. sad

DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#32: Nov 27th 2013 at 9:43:04 PM

No he didn't. The man killed at least a hundred people. It'd be poor writing if he didn't pay for it in some way. Not to mention that the man was a soldier and was given an appropriate sendoff as such.

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#33: Nov 28th 2013 at 10:51:54 AM

Excluding that D'Alessio kid (arguably) and Maybelle (which was an accident), pretty sure the rest of those people were "fair game," i.e. soldiers, gangsters, other dubious scumbags, etc. There was also that old guy he scalped, but he got what was coming to him for not respectin' Jimmy's authoriteh.

Your argument about bad writing is moot, since that's exactly what we got, anyway.

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#34: Nov 28th 2013 at 4:43:59 PM

The absence of karmic justice isn't necessarily bad writing. Sometimes bad guys get away with awful things. As long as it follows naturally from the story, a bad guy getting a happy ending doesn't ruin a story for me. See Chinatown for example; Noah Cross killed a good man, repeatedly raped his daughter, scammed the city out of millions of dollars, forced through the construction of a faulty dam that collapsed and killed hundreds and destroyed the livelihoods of dozens of farmers, yet he gets everything he wants, and it's a completely fitting conclusion to the story.

DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#35: Nov 28th 2013 at 9:32:23 PM

It only really works in nihilistic or dystopian stories, though, and that's not what I'd say Boardwalk Empire is since even most of the bad guys have some sort of redeeming qualities.

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#36: Nov 28th 2013 at 10:08:56 PM

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Uh, no, we got a pretty explosive ending to one of the most effective, if not the most effective, seasons so far. I was referring to the overwhelming Wham Episode nature of the season finale in my earlier post.

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#38: Sep 23rd 2014 at 1:09:06 PM

So... does anyone else see the flashbacks as completely and utterly pointless and a waste of screen time, or is it just me?

The acting, writing and cinematography are all top-notch, I'm not arguing that. But we don't need any of this, and they're a jarring change of format compared to the past four seasons. The only reason I can come up with for their existence (besides filling up time the writers should have been able to devote more to 'present-day' characters) is to try to get the audience to reconnect a bit with Nucky. The only real scene I am anticipating with any genuine interest is a hypothetical one where Nucky brings Gillian to the Commodore, because of how pivotal a role that act played.

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#39: Apr 25th 2020 at 7:57:15 PM

Digging up an old thread from the doldrums here...

Season 4 left a lot to be desired in terms of plot and how they botched the whole Narcisse storyline and Richard Harrow’s conclusion. Nucky felt more like a side character in his own show, and ended up getting into this unnecessary turf war between Narcisse and Chalky. Then we get this major jump into the shortened and rushed season 5. Now I’m completely okay with how the series ended—I liked season 5, I enjoyed the flashbacks, I appreciated the drama in between, and I’m fine with the ending. What I didn’t like is that the producers expedited the season just to end it so they could start this new series that ended up failing.

I think if the season 5 we did get was actually instead a season 6, then perhaps a full 12-episode, and different season 5 could have saved such a lackluster season 4 and a rushed storyline in what was season 5. Maybe something like this, taking place in 1928-1929:

  • Nucky: Growing his criminal empire with the liquor business between AC and Florida. Dealing with Will’s quest to become a government worker and lawyer, and how that could affect the business. Trying to keep Eli’s wife positive despite the tragic changes in her life. Strengthening his relationship with Sally Wheet (make her death more impactful come the final season). Connecting with Rothstein a bit in growing older in the “game”, trying to find meaning to it all; obviously taken back a bit when AR is killed (an event that the real season five skipped). Finally, Nicky’s big problem will come with those hillbilly Florida bootleggers that we introduced to in season four, but they had like no real role or threat there. When they could have had this hillbilly bootlegger vs. successful bootlegger war go on, kind of similar to Lawless. Nucky can also deal with some political backlash, maybe have that conference with Capone that was also overlooked in the real season 5. Maybe try to connect a little with Margaret, see Teddy and Emily too. A lot of potential here. Helps us understand his investment and interest in the Cuba deal even further as that could be introduced towards the end of the season.

  • Margaret: Watching her adjust to life even more in New York City in the apartment that she received from Rothstein. Maybe a few problems and tension when Nucky comes to visit. We watch her continue to make shady deals with that job that she has too.

  • Eli: Eli would be literally nosediving into the bottle being in Chicago away from his family. We'd see him uncomfortably bond more with Van Alden as the muscle in Capone’s crew. Involved in the war with Capone against the North Side Gang. He tries to connect with home, very little success, except when June visits. Like with Salvatore Maranzano in the actual season 5, Eli ends up being one of the shooters for the Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre.

  • Will: He's pushing further away from Nucky. Pursuing his career into politics and the law to undermine his family’s shady history and right all the wrongs that the Thompson’s have committed.

  • Gillian: When we see her in the real season 5, she’s in the psych ward. Did she just bypass jail? That’s what her storyline would be, her prison sentence. Not too much screentime on her, but one major aspect of her character would be that she writes a shit ton of letters to Tommy to talk about how horrible of a man Nucky was to her. That would make the conclusion of the series all that more believable.

  • Chalky: He is also in a downward spiral, this time trying to cope with the loss of his daughter and family. He ends up doing a lot of petty crime stuff with his mentor’s former gang, maybe show the cruelty of segregation a bit further. He’s eventually arrested for a crime later in the season, which explains why he’s in prison in the last season.

  • Rothstein: Rothstein would be restricted by the history books. We'd watch him gamble and lose a lot of money. He bonds with Nucky a little, while having to watch Luciano and Lansky really become independent. He'd get the write off he deserves with his murder in November 1928.

  • Luciano and Lansky: They also follow the history books. We see Luciano and Lansky solidify their control in New York City under Masseria and rival up against Maranzano, which would make the feud in the last season better too. Luciano's scarring and near murder took place in October 1929. That might not be doable without having to alter the timeline of events to maybe have this happen to Luciano in January of 1929 instead.

  • Van Alden: He has a similar storyline to Eli’s, but without the drinking. He's got to continue to live this fake life as George Mueller and struggle to find meaning with it all. He attempts to be a good husband and father for Sigrid, but is still troubled by all his demons. He then takes a holiday to stalk his estranged wife, sees that she is remarried and pregnant. This makes him rage, as we’ve so beautifully seen in Michael Shannon’s performance, and he wants to prove to Capone his worth and loyalty. So like Eli, Van Alden also becomes a shooter in the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre.

  • Sally Wheet: She’s controlling the business in Florida and she’s the one who sort of triggers the whole minor war between Nucky and the hillbilly bootleggers. She strengthens her relationship with Nucky.

  • Mickey Doyle: The comic relief, he takes over the Onyx club for his burlesque joint that we see come the real season five. He’s part of Nucky’s operation and really shows he’s been pretty loyal all this time.

  • Doctor Narcisse: I thought his threat was going to be more focused on Nucky in season 4, but they had him go up against Chalky instead. Just made no sense. The war was uneventful, and I hate how they made Harrow botch the assassination attempt, just to bleed out and die anyways. What a shame when Harrow was one of my favorite characters. Anyways, Narcisse was left in season 4 getting arrested and then asked to spy and provide intel for Hoover and the FBI on Marcus Garvey. This should have been explored. Instead, we just go to season 5 and Narcisse is such an afterthought that even his death wasn’t all that meaningful. Enjoyable, but not meaningful. Had they had a season with him spying or not spying on Marcus Garvey, and introducing Garvey as a character, that would have been unique to see.

  • The Florida hillbillies: This would be a brand-new character who’d be the leader of the Florida bootleggers. Now he wouldn’t be as prominent, memorable, or menacing as Gyp Rosetti, but if this Florida storyline is a big part of the season, they need a frontrunner. Someone like Wilson Bethel, given his performance in Daredevil (2015) as Benjamin "Dex" Poindexter. He would be this unique, terrifying guy that kills gators and bootlegs liquor, not a real gentlemen with women, which is why Sally sort of gets this little war started.

  • Al Capone: His story would be a major one here, as we see the conclusion of his war against Bugs Moran and the North Side Gang. We see him rise to power in Chicago against other gangs and the government. With Stephen Graham portraying a great version of that notorious gangster that we’ve all come to know through movies and television the past several decades. Obviously, the big conclusion will be the Saint Valentine’s Day Massacre. The show missed out on such a kickass piece of the Beer Wars, and watching Eli and Van Alden be the shooters would just add that great Boardwalk touch. It wouldn't be out of place considering Van Alden was witness to Dean O'Banion's assassination, and again, Eli was made to be the one to finish off Salvatore Maranzano.

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dmcreif from Novi Grad, Sokovia Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Robosexual
#40: Jul 8th 2020 at 6:47:05 PM

What's also worth asking is, what would the show have gone like if external circumstances hadn't forced the writers to make changes? I think the main external circumstances that changed things in season 2 were:

  1. Dabney Coleman's throat cancer, which forced them to speed up the Commodore's arc.
  2. Paz de la Huerta's behavior on set, which caused them to fire her in the second season.note 
  3. Michael Pitt's own behavior on set, which while not as bad as Paz's made the creators unwilling to give his character a different exit, after Coleman's illness left him in a bad spot.
  4. Hurricane Sandy trashing the Boardwalk set when the series was already suffering from the defection of the Darmodygirls and Game of Thrones had stolen its spotlight as HBO's award show.

I'll break this down season by season.

    Season 1 
While nothing would change in season 1, it's worth noting that it could have been very different. For one, James Gandolfini was considered for Nucky before the role was given to Steve Buscemi, which would have some dramatic consequences down the line. Another actor that was considered was Alec Baldwin. Now, while I enjoyed Buscemi's acting, it was obvious at some points that Nucky was meant to be someone more physical. So the series may have benefited from a different main face.

The premise of this season would still be the same: how the old-school gangsters adapt to Prohibition. Nucky controls Atlantic City and a good chunk of New Jersey. He never learns of Mickey's betrayal, and the D'Alessios are quickly dispatched after he uses Rothstein's legal troubles to make a peace treaty with him. Margaret starts a relationship with Nucky, who casts Lucy into the bed of Van Alden. However, Nucky has alienated Eli and he conspires with Jimmy and the Commodore to overthrow Nucky. Meanwhile, Angela agrees to marry Jimmy (which was planned but never filmed and ended happening offscreen).

Now, even if Nucky was still played by Buscemi, Lucy, the Commodore, and maybe Jimmy would be played by different people. Perhaps someone like Anne Hathaway or Evan Rachel Wood would be Lucy, and Dominic Chianese would be the Commodore instead of the Commodore's consigliere.

    Season 2 
With the Commodore's actor not deprived of his voice, he doesn't suffer a stroke and Jimmy never becomes the unwitting leader of the conspiracy. Instead, Jimmy remains the Commodore's deputy and his increasingly annoyed envoy to New York and Philadelphia. Jimmy still makes the deal with Manny Horvitz, but what undoes the deal is the Commodore's old antisemitism (hinted by that scene with the Henry Ford pamphlet in Season 1), not Jimmy being a jackass. So in retaliation for the attempt on his life, Manny retaliates by attacking the Commodore's house and kills Gillian (who is never promoted to main character) and Leander Whitlock. Besides showing Angela how weird the relationship between her husband and mother in law was again, this makes Jimmy break things off with the Commodore and go back to Nucky.

Nucky and Jimmy make a deal, where Nucky takes out Manny Horvitz in exchange for Jimmy taking out the Commodore and leaves Atlantic City. Jimmy settles in New York City with Angela, Tommy and Richard, and continues his uneasy partnership with Luciano and Lansky. Meanwhile, Lucy abandons her daughter with Van Alden and resumes her stage career in New York, Van Alden flees to Chicago, Eli goes to jail, and Margaret backstabs Nucky after seeing through his lies that he killed the Commodore. Luciano and Lansky don't betray Jimmy. Instead, Jimmy gets cheated out of his inheritance because the Commodore's will left everything to his maid and he never changed it.

There is a question left, however. In the first outline, Owen's role as Nucky's Irish enforcer was apparently going to be fulfilled by Margaret's brother, who was going to be called Declan rather than Eamon. That would certainly change the dynamic with Margaret's character. Instead of having an affair with her, Declan would be hostile towards Margaret for considering her a whore and a traitor, and she would counter by pointing out his hypocrisy as a self-righteous terrorist. Over the next two years, though, they would slowly reconcile as their respective relationships with Nucky flounder. Whether the character was named Declan, Eamon, or Owen, this character would probably still be played by Charlie Cox.

    Season 3 
Season 3 would be in 1922 and not 1923. Why? Because 1922 marked the ascent of Joe Masseria to power, and the year he avoided being killed by a hair, earning him the nickname "The man who can dodge bullets". And because Terrence Winter basically spelled out that he was skipping 1922 because he didn't want to waste a season on the immediate aftermath of Jimmy's death. No dead Jimmy, no need to skip a year.

Now, in the alternate continuity, Jimmy is alive but faring pretty bad. While dealing with the loss of his mother and golden heir status, he's gotten hooked on Lansky's heroin. And this is taking a toll both at work (where Luciano barely stands him because of Lansky and Richard) and at home (where Angela is increasingly fearing that drugged out Jimmy will hurt her or Tommy). Richard is left as the odd man keeping peace in the house.

Jimmy realizes he's hit rock bottom when he is told to drive his "pals" to George Remus's infamous 1922 New Years Eve Party. This would be a great time to introduce Imogene Remus. And this means Margaret gets gifted a car there, which she can't drive. Much like in season 1, Jimmy is forced to wait outside (again) with the muscle. Now instead of being the one holding the party, Nucky just attends and uses it to get deals, like everyone else. He still has his absurd dispute with Gyp Rosetti and things proceed the same in that regard. However, Nucky also meets someone else at the party. Not Billie Kent. It's Lucy, who is again a Broadway star.note  Lucy quickly realizes that things aren't going well between Nucky and Margaret, and she begins to worm her way back to his side. "He always returns to me in the end", like she said back in Season 1. And Nucky, being disappointed with Margaret, quickly decides to remember better times with Lucy, which makes Margaret contemplate running off with Declan.

Now, the big question is how does Angela's projected plot line fit into all this. It was revealed back in the day that she would find a girl (let's call her Louise, like the one at the beach), that would seduce her and introduce her to Anarchism. This would probably take the place of, or cut into the screentime for, Margaret's gynecology hospital subplot. This relationship would be secret for obvious reasons, but Jimmy would pick up things and realize that his wife is having an affair. Yet, instead of knowing that Angela is seeing Louise, he believes that she's having the affair with Richard (who may be starting to see Julia on the side), and he confronts him. Jimmy attacks Richard, Richard kicks his ass easily. After that Richard leaves the home for good. Evidently, the best way to make Angela even more miserable after that would be to make the bomb that killed Billie in the season aired instead be a bomb that Louise and Angela were going to plant somewhere, and that it goes off, killing Louise. And it is somehow Angela's fault and she's there to watch it.

Now in the war between Rosetti and Nucky...after getting Masseria's blessing to wage war on Nucky, Gyp blows up Babette's. And he also targets Lucy, who instead of being bombed is horribly killed in her apartment halfway between Dot King and the Black Daliah. Because Gyp pays tribute to Masseria, Nucky sends Declan to kill Masseria, but Declan fails and is killed. Margaret freaks out and leaves Nucky. And since Jimmy and Richard indirectly work for Masseria via Lansky and Luciano, it only makes sense that Richard be the one who kills Declan and saves Masseria. Nucky still has his mini-crime conference asking for support against Masseria, and the guys turn him down. But in the nick of time, Eli works a deal with Jimmy, who works a deal with Capone, and they all clean out Rosetti and his men together. Now Jimmy has finally reconciled (again) with Nucky.

    Season 4 
This season would cover 1923 and 1924. Years would start moving faster because the main actors are booked only for 6 or 7 seasons, max. Fortunately this is rather easy to frame: From Harding's death (maybe offscreen) to Torrio's failed assassination attempt and Capone's final enthronement. Jess Smith's death is either offscreen or unreferenced.

The main stories are the same. Coolidge succeeds Harding, takes out the trash and trusts Hoover with cleaning the FBI and making Prohibition a real thing. Narcisse honeytraps Chalky and takes over the black part of Atlantic City. Capone battles O'Banion in Chicago and takes over from Torrio. Margaret goes to New York City and has her business deal with Rothstein.

Nucky throws Remus under the bus and moves to Florida and later Cuba to avoid further scrutiny. But he is reluctant to give responsibility of the Atlantic City rackets to Jimmy. He obliges, on the condition that Jimmy clean himself first and go to college like Nucky always wanted. It is pretty obvious that Willie was not going to be a character originally, so it is easy to assume that some of his arc was originally going to be Jimmy's, just with less wacky fratboy hijinks. Jimmy would be dour and question what is he doing in a campus surrounded by little rich kids. He'll get in trouble because he is Jimmy, of course, but he will plow forward and finally get his degree.

Knox blackmails Eli still, but it is over his season 2 murder of George O'Neill instead of Willie. Otherwise the same.

Richard continues working in New York City for Murder Inc. instead of going to see his sister in Wisconsin, but he gets sick of killing the same. He probably pops Bill Lovett in the first episode instead of nobodies.

Now the big question is what would happen to Angela. Perhaps she loosely takes over Gillian's arc, but it is more tragic. If she has not abandoned Jimmy already in the last season, she does in this one. She goes into hiding with the help of Richard. At one point, she meets yet another nice girl...that turns out to be a Pinkerton agent working for Jimmy, and he uses her past history with Anarchism and homosexuality to take Tommy from her. Even Jimmy's fan club must admit by now that Jimmy is a monster. Most other characters, being men in the 1920s, actually think Jimmy is in the right.

    Season 5 
1925 to 1927. Nucky and Sally go to Cuba, where they help Gerardo Machado consolidate power in return for making the island an organized crime heaven. Arquimedes "Archie" Ortiz becomes Nucky's bodyguard.

In the US, Esther Randolph acts as the prosecutor against Remus and her boyfriend/colleague Clifford Lathorpe substitutes the federal agent who seduced Remus's wife and stole his millions. When Remus gets out, he kills his wife in broad daylight, and gets away scott free.

The other main historical events are the Capone-Moran war in Chicago and the White Hand-Black Hand War in New York, which Capone was also involved in. Since both are Italian-Irish conflicts, the best way to tie them together and with New Jersey would be to introduce a fictional Irish gangster as the season's main villain, sort of an Irish take on Gyp Rosetti. Mad Dog Coll would probably be a good inspiration.

Eli and Van Alden work both for Capone at this point. Thankfully the aired last season gave us a little glimpse into what they wanted to do with them. The two would be odd "friends" and "workmates", and Eli would sleep with Van Alden's wife while on one of his drinking benders. I could see that being expanded over several seasons, with Van Alden's wife becoming pregnant (if you have any doubt about Eli's sperm, just look at his brood in New Jersey). Perhaps at one point, Eli runs away or most likely begs Capone to send him to New York for a while, and he is put to work with Frankie Yale. He uses his Irish heritage to blend in with the Irish Gyp and Pegleg Lonergan's men and gets them killed. Hymie Weiss gets popped in Chicago too.

Margaret's son Teddy is about 13 now. Given his Irish heritage, fascination with fire and gangsters and budding sociopathy, he'd do something stupid like trying to join a gang or stealing a car, with Margaret having to ask either Rothstein or Nucky to get him out of trouble.

In Atlantic City, Jimmy gets in to Mayor Ed Bader's team and takes advantage of Nucky and Eli's absences to slowly accumulate power over the city, including striking deals for heroin and alcohol with Luciano and Lansky behind Nucky, Masseria and Rothstein's backs. When Bader protests, Jimmy has him killed in a way that is passed off as natural causes. "I was told it was appendicitis", he says to Nucky at Bader's funeral. The end of the season is the establishment of the Big Seven in the East Coast and the Capone-Moran truce in Chicago.

Before getting to that point, Nucky is also baffled by Jimmy doing nothing to help Angela, who is about to face trial for her ties to Anarchistic terrorism. He either hires Esther Randolph or Clarence Darrow to defend her. Unfortunately, they go for a "not guilty by reason of insanity" defense and she's sent to the NJ State Hospital with Dr. Cotton).

Chalky survives as a highwayman in the South and has the chance to learn how different it is to be a poor black criminal in the South compared to being a rich black criminal in New Jersey. He is captured and put on a chain gang. By the end of the season, he escapes with the intention of going to New York and taking revenge on Narcisse.

    Season 6 
1928-1929, and the final war between older mobsters and their conspiring successors.

Capone has a falling out with Yale and has him murdered. The resulting instability convinces Masseria, with Luciano by his side, to take over all of New York. Rothstein is murdered.

In Chicago, the Capone-Moran war reignites with the mayoral election of William Hale Thompson, and culminates with the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, which is planned and carried out by Eli and Van Alden (who better to be the fake uniformed cops than an ex-sheriff and an ex-federal agent). Elliot Ness is introduced as the new law enforcer trying to clean up after Capone, but he is largely unsuccessful.

In Atlantic City, the war is between Nucky and Jimmy (loosely supported by Masseria-Luciano). With Capone's support, Nucky wins and murders Jimmy. He calls the Atlantic City Conference to once again secure peace and strict limits between the main mobsters. Of course, it doesn't work.

Nucky also visits Angela at the asylum and finds that she's gone due to the abuse and unnecessary surgeries made on her by Dr. Cotton. With nobody to take care of Tommy, he uses his pull to adopt him.

Disenchanted with Prohibition, Margaret supports Al Smith for president and endures some good anti-Irish, anti-Catholic prejudice before Herbert Hoover wins in a landslide. Disenchanted with politics, she takes all of her attention to her work at the bank and she causes the 1929 Crash somehow.

Chalky sneaks into Narcisse's place with the intention of killing him, but freezes when he discovers that Daughter Maitland had a daughter with him. Because Narcisse gets off on controlling people, he recruits Chalky as an enforcer instead of killing him and uses him in his disputes against Dutch Schultz. Along the way, Chalky realizes that the man who killed Daughter Maitland's mother was Narcisse. He successfully deprograms Daughter and she kills Narcisse. From then on, there's three possible plotlines: a) Chalky is killed by someone else before Daughter kills Narcisse. Perhaps still-brainwashed Daughter kills Chalky herself. b) Besides Schultz, Narcisse is also at war wih Madame St. Clair. Chalky makes a deal with her behind Narcisse's back and she takes in Daughter and maybe Chalky after Narcisse is killed. c) Daughter somehow turns out to be more politically wise than she's given credit for and she takes over Narcisse's stuff afer killing him somehow. Thus she becomes the fictional counterpart to Madame St. Clair. Chalky, if alive, becomes her top enforcer and the fictional counterpart to Bumpy Johnson.

    Season 7 
1930-1931. Any threads in the aired 5th season that haven't happened yet.

The Great Depression is bad enough in the United States, but it is worse in Cuba with the crash of the sugar exportation business. The students rise against Machado, and Lansky uses the chaos to take over Nucky's operation on the island. Sally either gets caught up in the conflict and is killed by rebels (like in the show), or is taken out by Lansky. First one is more memorable, to be honest.

Margaret has her business dealing with Rothstein's wife and solves it with Nucky's help.

Nucky teams up with Salvatore Maranzano against Masseria. Luciano get sick of Masseria and has him killed, then gets sick of Maranzano and has him killed too. Now sick of Nucky as well, he takes over New York and the whole eastern seaboard, killing Chalky (if alive), Mickey and Archie in the process. Instead of kidnapping Willie and using him to force Nucky into surrendering, he either kidnaps Margaret, her children and/or Tommy. Nucky tries to return to politics by flopping to the Democrats with Kennedy's help, but it fails and the IRS and FBI are hot on his trail. Then Tommy discovers that Nucky is the one who killed his father (maybe while being kidnapped by Luciano), and he murders Nucky after he ironically pawns the remains of his empire to save him.

The Chicago arc plays out the same. Mike Malone becomes the mole in the Outfit and brings it down after he blackmails Van Alden and Eli into obtaining the ledgers detailing Capone's tax evasion. Van Alden's killed, Eli's unexpectedly spared.

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